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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Preserving digital files indefinitely is a solved problem. You put it in an automatically monitored redundant system that exists across multiple physical locations and replace drives as needed. This is just incompetence and institutional failure.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 30 points 8 months ago (3 children)

And they wonder why internet pirates so often act like they're trying to preserve dying media. Its because they've created an environment where that's true. If I want to watch a version of the original star wars trilogy without a bunch of wibbly wobbly CGI bullshit, do you know how hard that is?

The vast majority of internet pirates aren't unreasonable scoundrels fueled by hatred of media, they're usually people who love media and analysis and see that the current system doesn't actually benefit the people making the stories we love and doesn't preserve those stories once produced

[–] politicalcustard@beehaw.org 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm on a private tracker (pejoratively known as a "piracy site") that specialises in obscure films and documentaries - no mainstream, big studio films are allowed. It is an archive that I am happy to be a part of... and I definitely consider it to be an "archive"; corporations are not going to be interested in maintaining anything that's not profitable. I regularly upload queer films that are difficult to get hold of and I'm happy that they are held on the computers of others in case someone, someday, would like to watch them.

[–] frog@beehaw.org 13 points 8 months ago

Just gonna add that archives like this are absolutely vital for students too. During a module on animation, which included an historical/contextual research component, I relied heavily on "piracy" to source pretty much everything I looked at from the 1930s onwards - basically everything that was too new to have entered the public domain, but too old/unpopular/obscure to be readily available in a "legal" manner. Most of my fellow students didn't go past 1928, and they lost marks in that assignment as a result. I did not volunteer information about my sources for these files, and the teachers wisely opted not to ask. 😅

[–] AnarchistArtificer 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What's the best film that you've watched that's the kind of film that'd be on your obscure private tracker?

[–] politicalcustard@beehaw.org 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I recently watched a documentary called Palestinian Identity, made in 1984. I am in the UK and was a young boy at the time, smothered in Very British Propaganda so I was interested in watching it because it was made by the PLO Film Unit. It was excellent and, of course, many parallels to be drawn between then and today, especially because the film begins with a walk around a recently destroyed children's school. It included some fascinating interviews with some of the leading Palestinian cultural figures of the time including Mahmoud Darwish who's considered to be Palestine's national poet... which reminded me I needed to start reading poetry again! Anyway, I'll be quiet now, that went on longer than I was expecting! Thanks for the lovely question.

https://palestinecinema.com/movies/palestinian-identity

[–] averyminya@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

Anyway, I’ll be quiet now, that went on longer than I was expecting!

Only one paragraph? Please, a few more! <3

[–] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago

I'm an ex-filmmaker and would be interested in your private tracker if u wanted to DM it to me.

[–] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If I want to watch a version of the original star wars trilogy without a bunch of wibbly wobbly CGI bullshit, do you know how hard that is?

This. A thousand times.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I found a box set of the trilogy that has the original on one side of the disc and the "special edition" on the other at a used music/movie/video game shop. I was so happy at the time because even at that time (2008ish) it was hard to find the originals. I can imagine it is almost impossible now

[–] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There are 2K scans of the original theatrical prints available online. Highly recommended.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Ooh, that sounds way better than the 480p on my discs

[–] TheBaldness@beehaw.org 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's the original 1977 release. It doesn't even say "Episode 4" on the opening crawl. Star Wars was originally a stand-alone film, and regardless of what George Lucas says, there were no prequels and sequels. I get so angry when I think about how badly he fucked everything up since then.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago

The result of nobody able to say "no" to him. Empire is the perfect example of someone else with a much better vision than George Lucas.

[–] Grzmot@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

Gabe Newell's quote from 13 years ago will never not be relevant in such discussions:

In general, we think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. For example, if a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable. Most DRM solutions diminish the value of the product by either directly restricting a customers use or by creating uncertainty.

Spotify, Netflix (in it's earlier days) have shown that time and time again. People love convenience. We are ultimately lazy animals. I think if you created a streaming service tailored to really old, obscure shit and you gave it a reasonable price, people would buy it.

[–] millie@beehaw.org 13 points 8 months ago

How telling that even in an article raising the issue, they don't mention the security that comes with the massive network of private collections on the internet.

It literally seems like at every turn, capitalism just degrades the value of what humanity creates. It keeps art locked away in obscurity or unfinished because of the greed of copyright holders who aren't even artists themselves. It provides a strong market incentive to sell off quality products so that they can have their value completely torpedoed for the sake of quarterly profits.

Currency is supposed to grease the wheels of civilization, not bring all productivity to a halt in a spectacular mess of paper-chasing.

[–] Paragone@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

Use CD-RW: it records the information in the crystallization of metal.

It's the ONLY method I've encountered that seems damn-near eternal.


I've no idea if the DVD-RW discs also are metal-layers.


The record-1-time media deteriorate, though the AZO chemistry is supposed to last longer.

Magnetic media all deteriorate.