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I am not a native English speaker and I have sometimes referred to people as male and female (as that is what I have been taught) but I have received some backlash in some cases, especially for the word "female", is there some negative thought in the word which I am unaware of?

I don't know if this is the best place to ask, if it's not appropriate I have no problem to delete it ^^

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[โ€“] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is what I said to someone who asked a very similar question about the same thing a while back:

'Females' is, effectively, a 'technical term' you might say, that isn't used in normal conversation. It's used specifically in situations where distance from the subject being discussed is intentional. It is the sort of language used in police reports, medical reports and the like...when it's even being applied to humans at all. Its use is perhaps more common referring to animals; it's the sort of terminology you'd expect to hear in a nature documentary.

The people trying to push its use are intending to make the subjects - women - sound 'other' and separate and alien by referring to them as 'females'. Not everyone who is picking up this terminology intends it that way, but the connotations are unavoidable because of how language works in common use, and therefore if you don't intend it that way, you badly need to be made aware of it so you can stop.

[โ€“] Arfman@aussie.zone 10 points 8 months ago

I guess it would be kind of like referring to another person as "human".

"Hey who helped you with this?โ€

"This human over here, my co-worker."

[โ€“] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 12 points 8 months ago

I'd say it's off-putting for the same reason that using technically accurate biological terminology in place of sexy-talk can be off-putting. It could come off as impersonal or alien at best, and objectifying at worst.

Think of an alien in disguise saying "hello fellow humans". Technically, it's not wrong, it's just weird.

[โ€“] Titou@feddit.de 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think it's because it's mostly used by "sigma male" seing womens as objects(not sure thought, but that's what i've seen).

[โ€“] notexecutive@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

If you say "This female" vs. "This woman", it could be considered very rude. English is very context dependent.

[โ€“] jsomae@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Others in this thread will tell you it's only acceptable as an adjective or for animals. That's not true. Here are some non-adjective uses that most people wouldn't consider misogynistic on the surface:

  • A female changing room (noun adjunct)
  • Female-only spaces. (noun)
  • Sorry, this shelter is only for females. (noun)
  • This procedure is not recommended for females. (noun)
  • Only females are eligible for this award. (noun)
  • "Is the person you're going out with tonight a male or a female?" (noun, my mom said this)
  • "A male character has no stats difference compared to a female." (Probably an adjective but arguably not)

That said, "I am a single man looking for a female" is pretty gross usage. Also, please note that some of these examples may be transphobic in nature.

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[โ€“] BirdEnjoyer@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Can you give us more context?

"Woman" is almost always preferred because it respects one's personal identity, as opposed to the compulsory status of biological sex, which is often used as a source of belittlement and/or bigotry against women. (and carries a whole plethora of baggage when people decide they get to judge someone's female-ness)

But it doesn't mean that you shouldn't generally be able to use the term "female" without causing social friction, if you have a good amount of social grace.

(its actually quite normal in fantasy/scifi circles, for example)

I think you may be asking the wrong question- you may want to explain what you were talking about and ask what specific phrases or situations might have unsettled people.

Maybe it was just a weirdly specific English faux pas, or maybe you have a friend who is a little extra sensitive after bad experiences and who could use your support. Maybe its a total miscommunication- who knows?

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[โ€“] Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'd say it's a tone and context sorta thing.

[โ€“] Dasus@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Definitely.

[NOT OKAY] "Hey guys, check out those females!"

[Okay.] "There were seventy-five males and sixty females in the study."

[NOT OKAY] "Gonna go out with my favourite females tonight" (unless you're a girl in a girls night out and doing a comedic take on the bro culture)

[Okay] "The shoplifter was ~170cm tall, female, wore large sunglasses and ran surprisingly fast for someone in such high heels smelling so strongly of chardonnay"

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