Nobody did more damage to Twitter than Musk.
this post was submitted on 10 Mar 2024
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I thought the whole point of him buying it was to tank it before the ‘24 elections in the US.
The 'point' has been moving around because no one wants to believe that Musk just bought it on a drug filled hallucinogenic high with no plan.
It was bots, or to improve free speech, or to help Trump or... I dunno anymore. At this point it's clear that it's just Musk fanbois making excuses for why the emperor has no clothes.
My favorite theory is that's is for middle eastern investment. Twitter highest per capita usage is in like Saudi Arabia, not the US. That's where the value of the platform lives, the people he gets a huge portion of his investments from.
Saudis were in on Twitter before Elong though, so it's somewhat unfair to judge them or Elon on this.
Elon did keep the Saudis on while proclaiming free speech though. So there's one tidbit we can fairly criticize on the subject.
Yeah exactly! I think that may be the point I was trying to make. Saudi per capita use of Twitter was high and before and after he bought it. Elon has always been both hyper aware of and needful of Saudi investment.
So not a criticism, more and impetus that makes sense to me. But I also think you're right about a lot of post-hoc reasoning for a bad decision.
Because you don't agree with them, they're a fan boy?
He's a billionaire who bought a platform to create a public space for right-wing political discourse so those ideas can get pushed into the mainstream. He bought it like every right-winger buys media, for influence. If he can push policies that favour his businesses, he can gain more back from his other businesses.
The fact you dislike him makes you want to think he's an idiot, because it feels nice and validating, but ultimately, there is motives behind his actions, even if he is an egotistical man-child living off the proceeds of hereditary wealth.
Because you don’t agree with them, they’re a fan boy?
They are fan bois because they place their loyalty to Elon Musk above-and-beyond logic. There is no point arguing or discussing with them, they've decided upon their beliefs and then work-backwards to an argument.
That doesn't make them dumb. It makes them unreliable to form discussions though, because their words are there to push their values, not actually for discovery, collaboration or otherwise beneficial discussion.
There's plenty of "valid" reasons to be a fanboi, I'm assuming a lot of them own stock in Tesla and are just pumping up their stock and hoping to benefit from it over time.
In any case, the Don Lemon interview proves that Elon takes Ketamine in quantities large enough to change his own psychology. Which is ketamine abuse IMO but you know SV execs and their reliance (and pro) hallucinogenic arguments. That's what they believe in and choose to push. The proof of Elon Musk's ketamine / drug filled / hallucinogenic lifestyle is literally in the latest interview, as well as plenty of other articles.
If you're a Musk Fanboi, you need to accept that your "dear leader" is pro-hallucinogens. And that many of Musk's decisions are clearly on Ketamine.
If you think I'm a fan boy based on "even if he is an egotistical man-child living off the proceeds of hereditary wealth", you're need to engage your brain, my friend.
When you're picking only the points you like, it's called confirmational bias. On the same Don Lemon video you quote, he admitted he bought it to protect freedom of speech, regardless of if it costs him money or not. Obviously, it's his over glamorised version of events. Here "freedom of speech" means proving a space for only those that agree with him, which is what I alluded to. Considering your dislike for Elon, you're intolerance of anyone with a different opinion to you is strikingly similar.
For someone so anti-Musk, you spend an awful lot of your time posting about him. He's living rent free...
he admitted he bought it to protect freedom of speech
While on Ketamine, while defending his use of hallucogens.
My earlier point here is about the drugs. And I don't think you've really addressed my point about SV drug culture.
But feel free to pivot and play strawman all day here. Every post that you ignore the drug issue is more proof that you can't follow my argument here.
Not at all. If Elon takes drugs. It doesn't naturally follow that every decision he makes is drug fuelled. That's a logical fallacy.
What has SV drug culture in general got to do with this? How does usage at FB for example impact on Musk's decisions?
I'm not deliberately ignoring the drug point. I just think it's a weak and shallow point, that explains very little. Having to respond in depth to every weak argument is a waste of time. A straw man argument is misrepresting a point. Ignoring a point cannot misrepresent it. It sounds like you don't fully understand what a straw man argument is.
The ‘point’ has been moving around because no one wants to believe that Musk just bought it on a drug filled hallucinogenic high with no plan.
This is the core of my argument and the first post I made in this line of discussion. Sidestepping it is ... bad form.
What has SV drug culture in general got to do with this?
Its a culture that precipitates drug filled hallucinogenics to encourage CEOs and Venture Capitalists to take more risks. My overall point is that Elon Musk is hardly alone or special with regards to this culture, its everywhere in this group and common amongst his peers.
If this line of discussion is displeasing to you, feel free to leave. But you're just setting up strawmen so far and ignoring the crux of my argument.
Ignoring a point cannot misrepresent it.
You're ignoring the central point and basis of the discussion. There's no point continuing if you just ignore the thread. Feel free to bring up discussion elsewhere in the forum or in another discussion point I've made. But why would you respond to this discussion point I made weeks ago and then ignore the very basis of it?
Actually, what you responded to was about elections. I responded to your second paragraph because you dismissed a valid point to make a somewhat unhinged and fanciful assertion. Ironically, you're the one ignoring points you disagree with.
I replied yesterday because that is when I saw the community and post from another one.
Arguing with narcissists that believe they're always right is no fun. I can relate to Don Lemon rn.
That's a lot more words you're using that's ignoring my Ketamine / hallucinogenic point.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-don-lemon-interview-x-ketamine-use-tesla/
https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1
https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-microdosing-ketamine-lsd-magic-mushrooms-d381e214
These articles here are my exact point and my exact perspective. You're trying to tell me that these articles are unimportant, while I'm trying to tell you they are the core of my argument and that you are ignoring me.
I'm fine with us both just agreeing to disagree here. If you can't even accept the basic facts of my argument, there's no way we can continue productively. If you think these simple statements of fact are "unhinged" well... too bad. They're obviously facts on the large scale now.
The emperor has no clothes. These are not people who are safely using Ketamine in the way it was intended, but are instead likely reaching K-hole status to achieve a psychedelic effect. The proof is in the pudding.
I replied yesterday because that is when I saw the community and post from another one.
So you're ignoring the context and my original message because someone else mislead you? Gotcha.
I dunno man, you're trying to stand atop some kind of ivory tower from my perspective. You don't even read the arguments here, but instead were reading some kind of argument somewhere else... you come over here to make a point that probably only made sense on that "other place" where you came from, and you ignore the points I'm making here.
If you want a discussion, you either start a new one / new topic to make a point so that we are on the same page... or you can try to connect with my original point and original discussion here? Otherwise, why bother responding to my original post? Like, what are you even doing here?
What is your point? Do you think that Elon Musk isn't on Ketamine or regularly reaching K-holes? If so, do you have an article or citation to start your point off on?
Gosh, you're insufferable. I'm out. Carry on your hate boner, Elon fan boi (because you spend most of your time reading about and writing about Elon). For someone who doesn't like Elon, your life seems to be about him. I pity that. Good luck in your crusade.
Gosh, you’re insufferable.
You come here, respond to a week-old post without reading it, and only proceed to insult me the entire time, and refuse to discuss the point of the original post even after I've repeatedly clarified the point (and provided citations why I made that post to begin with). And apparently I'm the insufferable one?
If you've got beef, start with more context next time. I promise I'm trying to figure out where the hell you're coming from, but you aren't making it easy.
If you don't want to talk about Ketamine / K-hole / hallucinogens, then how about... not responding to such a post? You could have picked any post to respond to. Or you could have made a new topic. I'm seriously confused about what you were planning to do here or what you ever hoped to accomplish with your visit.
Purchases like these don't happen like that. It's not an item from amazon...
Purchases like these shouldnt happen like that
Shouldn't =/= don't.
Silicon Valley encourages Ketamine and other hallucinogenic drugs for 'big picture thinking's. They explicitly want their CEOs under the influence while making these decisions.
The halluconagenic culture of SV is well known. It's practically an open secret that everyone in the Valley is on halluconogens, the only question is the specific drug and the degree of which that they're on the drug.
But everyone is on drugs of some kind on a regular basis.
Also, you are batshit insane if you believe that
https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon-valley-microdosing-ketamine-lsd-magic-mushrooms-d381e214
It's a known fact.
It's how Adam Neumann comes out and seriously says that a goddamn commercial real estate firm is 'The World's First Physical Social Network'. Etc. Etc.
Elon Musk is just more of this techbro druggie culture. He's not the only one doing this, drugging up on shrooms, Ketamine, or LSD has known effects on making someone get a messiah complex.
And large investors and VCs LIKE and encourage this.
Go talk to a friend on halluconogens and compare their behavior to the SV elite or Elon Musk. It's uncanny how close it is.
I never said "should", I said they don't. You are literally strawmanning.
No. I'm saying I agree with you that it shouldn't happen.
But the evidence points to the contrary. Elons long history with drugs is one point of evidence, but also SV culture perpetuates the need of hallucinogens to feed their 'big picture' thinking.
I'm betting the drop was significantly more, and Musk is fighting for dear life with a lot of bot accounts to simulate traffic, or else the little amount of ad buys dries up even more.
Article claims that this is a US Telephone Survey. So I don't think bots could have been included, unless some bot answered a phone and tricked the survey admins