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tl;dr: A caretaker groped a student. She described walking up a staircase when she felt her trousers fall down, a hand touching her buttocks and grabbing her underwear. According to the judges, what happened "does not constitute a crime" because it lasted less than 10 seconds.

Thought experiment: If someone hit that guy for less then 10s, wouldn't that be a crime, either? Or has the assault to be sexual for the 10s rule to apply? What if the guy was hit with a huge dildo then, would that render the 10s rule applicable? (Obviously an academic question, not encouraging anyone to hit anyone.)

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[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't get why judges are allowed to make shit up like this?

If there's no time limit specified in the law how can they just define one?

[–] Aikawa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

I don’t get why judges are allowed to make shit up like this?

Oh, you know, this kind of crap just fly by when you're under the rule of a far-right government...

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Judges in most European countries are supposed to "interprete" the law, so not apply it strictly as written, but add onto it whatever biases the particular judge might have.

It doesn't help that in some instances people are not allowed to speak for themselves, only their lawyers are allowed to speak, and if the lawyer forgets (or "forgets") to mention some aspect of the case, even if it had already been introduced into evidence, then it's like it never happened and the judge is free to ignore it.

Add to that only supreme court decision being considered as precedent, that supreme courts in many countries have been either coopted by the conservative right, or had their powers stripped, or simply blocked... and we get decisions like this.

it's like the old saying/joke-but-not-joke goesJudge asking a victim: "And did you close your legs with all your strength?"

[–] midas@ymmel.nl 23 points 1 year ago

Woah what the fuck.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Italy is such a corrupt, underdeveloped and undemocratic country. I don't know why it was ever allowed into the EU.

[–] curiousgoo@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Probably as a result of this: https://youtu.be/B5d_MPw1nQs ?

Regarding the undemocratic part, let's not forget it was a part of the Axis. Ideologies of leadership don't change so easily...

[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have an answer to this question, as well as to why all the fascists (except one) weren't prosecuted after the war but left alone so that they are now ruling the country again. The reason is: they needed Italy to be a "liberal" western democracy, while giving too much power to the socialists/communists in the 50s/60s/70s would have made it too close to Soviet neighbours, endangering the equilibrium of the area.

[–] friendbot@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hey new law! 10 second punching a sexual assaulter in the mouth rule!

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Groping his face with your fist ✊

[–] lemmyatom@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

News like this needs more visibility...especially among the international community so that wider outrage can hopefully pressure the judge to reconsider his ruling. Too much BS like this slips by due to lack of awareness.

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