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There is some Tesla brigade working hard to remove everything from the internet that makes them look bad. (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

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The last couple days I've noticed every post that shows Tesla not looking good, has been removed from some higher directive. Not deleted by OP.

and yesterday an OP tried at least twice to post an article about Tesla factory ordering $16,000 worth of pies from a small independently-owned Silicon Valley bakery, owned by a sweet hard-working lady who worked overtime all night and had to go out and buy more ingredients to get the order finished in time, only for Tesla to call up the next morning and cancel the order just as the pies were about to be delivered to Tesla. As of press time, that lady lost $16,000 on that order but hopefully Tesla came back and made up for it.

The OP posted that article twice because the first one had been removed, then I tried to comment on the second one and it had been removed also.

There seems to be some Tesla brigade working hard to remove everything from the internet that makes them look bad.

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[–] entropicshart@sh.itjust.works 128 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How does cancelling a pie order at delivery mean that you don’t pay? You try to cancel a dental appointment in less than 48hrs and you still get charged for that appointment

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 77 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good luck sending Elon the bill when you can barely get the richest man on Earth to pay rent for Twitter's headquarters.

[–] entropicshart@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Real estate is one thing, but small claims court over unpaid goods and services provided is another.

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[–] bob_omb_battlefield@sh.itjust.works 48 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Depends on the terms of the contract...

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, apparently, because it was some small business owner, she only invoiced the order, and didn’t have some elaborate no cancellation policy in a contract for an order that size. It’s terribly unfortunate, but she probably should’ve known better (as a freelancer, myself, I once had to learn this very lesson the hard way, although it did not cost me nearly so much). I guarantee she’ll never ever make that mistake again, but, sadly, it may be because she is now going out of business.Tesla are such shit for doing this to her, and the very least they could do is pay for their order.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

The irony here is that they missed payment - she called them about that, and they asked her if she could increase the order…. And she did.

Like, they already missed payment, don’t put more at risk.

[–] livus@kbin.social 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@FuglyDuck that's a tactic described in the 19th century novel Vanity Fair for evading payment. If your dressmaker sends you a bill then immediately order more dresses.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is.

It's also a super common thing. Which is why it's important to learn how to say "no",

[–] livus@kbin.social 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@FuglyDuck Definitely. Or even just to make that yes conditional on the client paying their earlier invoice first.

I learned that the hard way myself.

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

see, this, then, gets very tangled in the terms of the agreement, and - as there seemingly were none - and lawsuit could get dismissed. or a judge could decide that Tesla is liable anyway, and then Tesla would appeal, costing the business owner even more in legal fees.

if Tesla was ever going to pay the $16k, they would have done it long before engaging in a legal dispute that will end up costing tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars more. at this point, it has nothing to do with money, and everything to do with fucking this lady over as hard as they can to punish her for embarrassing them.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Personally, I'd use their bureaucracy against them.

Send a generic invoice "care of" accounting. knock of the delivery fee. make it as nondescript as possible so it gets handed to the intern that just rubber stamps every stupid thing their stupid CEO gets into.

It's worth a shot.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Eh, if she really wanted to take it to court I'm relatively sure her case is sound. A reasonable man knows you cannot cancel such a large order of perishable goods on short notice. She probably had her own reasons, whether lack of savvy, a belief the media campaign would serve her better, or maybe even just that she doesn't want to go to court.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

yeah, well, that’s all fine and good if she could afford a good lawyer to take up her case, but she’s financially screwed because of this and is already struggling to even keep her business open. rich people can afford to just sue everyone who makes them mad, but small business owners like this lady who went out on a limb for this huge order and got screwed may not be able to afford to shell out the money it would cost to engage in a lengthy lawsuit with the legal powers of Tesla.

so, what the law allows her to do and what she is practically capable of doing are probably two very different things in terms of her being able to seek legal remedy.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just go directly after the person who made the order and take them to small claims court. She could only recoup $10,000 that way, but I believe the person would have to show. Not some lawyer on their behalf. I believe in California, lawyers are not allowed to represent anyone in small claims. Chances are the tesla person wouldn't even show and several months later the baker would eventually end up with a check.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

If not, over the course of decades, every one of those pies needs to go in a Tesla C-level face.

Slowly, steadily, inexorably, randomly.

Make them fear to turn any corner on the street. Make them see pies in their dreams.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

Depends on the location, some places would have considered the purchase a contract of itself.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean how does Twitter not pay rent?

[–] ma11en@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Cancel the standing order, put the wrong figure on a cheque

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My guess is someone very wealthy and/or used to doing large scale business just didn’t realize what a big number that is to normal people.

Or has never prepared food in their life.

Or they’re used to ordering like pallets of mountain dew or whatever and decided to go with fresh food instead.

I don’t know. I feel like this falls under “moral incompetence” or something. I doubt it’s a deliberate attempt to screw her over, but it’s also not really acceptable. They should be ashamed.

I really hope whoever made this fuckup is questioning how out of touch they’ve become.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Or the vendor didn’t insist on an initial payment or cancellation fee. I don’t know how this is a Tesla thing - some admin put in an order for some sort of meeting or event and they changed the schedule so she canceled. It happens all the time. This is not Tesla-specific

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 93 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The story posted twice and removed by mods, were because he broke the rules. First he posted on c/technology when it has nothing to do with tech. Then he posted on c/news with a headline complaining that it was removed, where it's against the rules to change the headline. So this has nothing to do with being silenced, but everything to do with not respecting the subs he posted to.
The exact same article was posted again, but with correct headline, and has not been taken down.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Aye, Thank you for noticing the issue and explaining. I keep wondering why my post keeps getting up votes. I was in some sort of conspiracy theory mindset when I wrote it 🤷🏻‍♀️

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago

You should edit your OP to update it with this information.

[–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This explanation is grounded but I just want to point out that over the last 4 months I have blocked several Musk subs and a couple of Tesla subs. All of which were pumping out their respective subjects as spam everyday...

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[–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 56 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Reason the thread complaining about the pie post being taken down was removed from this c:

reason: Using this instant as a platform for complaints against the actions of other mods

The top comment in that thread describes the reason it was removed originally.

A constant stream of meta whining sucks. Doesn't need to be some pro-Tesla conspiracy to dislike that.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. And this is Lemmy, the modlogs are public. People always want to believe things are a conspiracy instead of logically considering more plausible reasons.

[–] sinokon@feddit.de 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You sure try modlogs are public? Some already use the name “mod” to hide their own mod profiles when doing actions and it’s trivial to setup admin actions to remove posts / comments without listing them in the modlog, while I agree it’s better than nothing it’s still up to each individual instance to decide what they give price of their admin / mod actions.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Can you point to a community where it’s not public? I’ve never seen one and my understanding was that was a feature of Lemmy, if not all of the fediverse

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The pie story kept getting removed because OP was posting it to irrelevant communities.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hear me out. Perhaps it's a heavy handed mod or the community who is tired of Tesla posts full stop. Or Elon Musk posts, which tbh is kind of fair especially on places like the tech community. Musk does a lot of things to stay in the news cycle to stay relevant and a lot of people are fatigued about it.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think that sort of thing should be decided by the community with the up/down vote buttons.

Or if the Mods wants to implement a policy to ban certain content then that could be added to the Rules for posting. That would be fine as people that want that kind of content can create their own community for it.

Moderation policies should be transparent and not used to veto anything that displeases a mod.

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[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That pie post is one post up from this one, on my feed......

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 26 points 8 months ago

Which instance are we talking about. Was this all on lenmyworld or elsewhere? Was it all in one community? Did it happen here?

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 25 points 8 months ago

I can't remember the last time I read a positive news story about Tesla. Maybe the mods simply just are tired of the contant spam about Elon's every single action.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is entirely subjective - I haven’t gone around counting things up - but I’ve noticed both more pro-Tesla and pro-SpaceX posts and increased arguments on the anti-Musk posts. It seemed (on lemmy) to be coming from the same small number of accounts, so it could just be an enthusiastic handful of fanboys.

If one of them became a mod, that might explain it. They were very active in the Tesla and SpaceX subs with multiple articles posted within minutes of each other within the past couple of days.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Probably just fanboys. I hate playing the shill but have certainly responded to unreasonable hatred and wrong criticism. There’s plenty of criticism to go around, even if you stick to valid stuff.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That may be true but I'm in the market for a car right now and one thing Tesla cannot hide is how many used ones are for sale and how cheap they are compared to sticker price after a year or two.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Wonder why though? Shitty build quality?

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's probably a range of factors.

My own feelings are not indicative of market trends (because I'm a bit weird about things) but a few years ago teslas had some kind of appeal.

I guess I just hadn't realised how much of an ass musk is.

That situation has changed though. I would be legit embarrassed to drive one.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Same. I suspect there's a lot of that going on. The excitement was ruined by Musk being such a dangerous and creepy weirdo.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some people are not a fan of the internal cameras recording you at all times that send footage back to Tesla.

https://insideevs.com/news/496449/tesla-in-car-camera-privacy/

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fuuuuuuck that. That's just stupid to pay for that.

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[–] theodewere@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

he isn't just the biggest troll in history, he is also the idol of all other trolls

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I'm starting to wonder if the trolls are actually trolls that through selective breeding started to look more human like over time

[–] Hypx@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tesla is a massive stock pumping Ponzi scheme that just happens to have a poorly ran car company attached to it. People need to realize what the goal of Tesla marketing is really about. It will be remembered as one of the great investment scams of our time.

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[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I was driving around doing errands and passed by that pie place. I was all "Hey! Is that the famous pie place now?" Yup, sure enough. The shop was closer then I thought. Best of luck to them!

I remember modest coffee had something like that happen and bought a box of beans to help them out.

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Dude it’s been going on for 10 years.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So normal internet marketing machine is working as planned?

Makes you wonder about times you have looked at reddit for a review of an item and haven't seen negative comments.

[–] I_like_turtles3@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

At this point we are in the situation where PR companies that are pro and against Musk are fighting eachother in public spaces in the hopes that both brainwash as many people as possible, into their narrative. Nobody can tell the truth anymore, we're in that period now.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How’s that “fULL sELf dRiviNg” coming along that their valuation was supposedly based on?

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