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[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No clean hands here. The whole situation is garbage. The particularly salient point is that Israel, as the nation-state actor and a liberal democracy is expected to act more responsibly and with a higher moral character. Bibi's a trash human being, but the longer this goes (and has gone) on the more and more of the culpability is shared by everyday Israelis.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The entire conflict was started by israel when they stole the Palestinians land.

And the only party actively refusing to resolve the conflict is also israel, openly saying they will never acknowledge a Palestinian state and proudly presenting their plans to colonize the west bank as well.

The term "liberal democracy" is rather generous for a Nazi-like apartheid.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

No, no, no... Clearly the Palestinians are just squatters when the Israelis, the true indigenous people, went on a little vacation. ...

/s. Are we still doing this?

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (37 children)

In a sense, Hamas had to have known that what they were going to do was going to have a HUGE military response from Israel. Govts are like the Mafia, they can’t just let any disrespect go unpunished. Hamas planned on indiscriminately killing civilians and taking hostages. I’m not sure any government in the world wouldn’t have had a predictable military response of some kind.

Hamas seems to have misjudged the extant to which Israel was willing to go (all-out war and extermination of Hamas), but they still knew at some level that Israel was going to come in shooting and killing civilians. Israel shoots at kids for throwing rocks, of course Hamas knew civilians were getting killed from their actions. Add in that Netanyahu has his own unrelated troubles in Israel and he needed a disaster like this to distract the public. Plus, Israel would take any excuse it could to further erode Gaza, so they basically handed Israel a gift-wrapped war.

Does that absolve Israel’s military from indiscriminately killing civilians? Absolutely not, they have their own issues with systemic racism towards Arabs that’s built up over decades and a military that’s apparently given up on professionalism and following the rule of law. I think their calculus is total extermination of Hamas and further encroachment into Palestinian lands, to them that’s more than worth whatever civilian casualties and international condemnation they get for a few months of conflict.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (81 children)

So what you're saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi's that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?

Since you are still under the impression that Hamas indiscriminately killed civilians, here's a nice video explaining what really happened on oct7

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

is all of this compiled anywhere else? bullet points or something with links?

i believe it, but i won't spread it unless i can verify it.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yes this video is actually addressing his article which is filled with links and evidence:

Netanyahu’s War on Truth - Israel’s Ruthless Propaganda Campaign to Dehumanize Palestinians

If you skip the chapter "intelligence failures" and go straight to "Information warfare" you'll find evidence for all his claims in the video.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

the entire article fully formatted in markdown

i would have pushed it here as a reply but it surpassed the maximum character count. you might find it useful for supporting your arguments in the future.

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[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 14 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Israel is partially to blame for how successful Hamas's attack on October 7th was and of course for the original motivation to commit such strikes.

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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Gaza is just the Stanford Prison Experiment on a larger scale.

[–] TakiMinase 10 points 8 months ago

Aye stop killing civilians Abraham you cunt

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago
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