Dunno if this is OK. Just thought it might be helpful for this community? If not ok, just delete it.
this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2023
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I think it's an important reminder.
It's not so much a reminders but a notification that theyre planning to start something big. Likely the main part of the counter offensive, which up until this point has been staging.
This should be norm for all Fediverse. Enemy positions may be okay, but friendly positions are not.
This should be norm for all Fediverse. Enemy positions may be okay, but friendly positions are not.
I don't think that you could do that even with the devs on board, and I suspect that at least one would probably consider "the enemy" to be the Ukrainian forces. Dessalines, the founder of lemmy and lead lemmy dev, seems pretty gung-ho on the idea that the USSR shouldn't have ended and objects to wartime support to Ukraine being provided, considers letting Finland/Sweden into NATO to be imperialism, and has a whole lot of other material there objecting to Ukraine associating with the West, Euromaidan, etc.
That fact is why at least some people wound up using kbin rather than lemmy (wasn't my reason, but I've seen people on some of the kbin magazines out of Eastern Europe really unhappy with him and not wanting to provide him with more influence).
It's disturbing. I deliberately avoid any community hosted on his lemmy.ml instance (the ml stands for Marxist-Leninism). I could certainly not stomach the Ukraine community there.
"Dessalines, the founder of lemmy and lead lemmy dev, seems [pretty gung-ho](https://dessalines.github.io"
I had read something, but it was all downplayed. I wasn't aware about this link, good info!
I mean, I don't agree with him politically at all, but that's actually not what really bugs me.
Like, okay, Eric S. Raymond is a pretty prominent guy in the open-source world. He's famously right-libertarian. A lot of people who use his software are not, but that's okay, because he separates the two.
But when I was looking around to figure out this whole Threadiverse thing, and find a home instance, I got linked to a comment by dessalines saying explicitly that he wanted to make lemmy hard for right-wingers to use. For me, that is a problem, because then you're not separating your views from the impact on those people who use and rely on your work. And at least for me, the Fediverse is interesting as a global, ideology-agnostic system that anyone can use.
As it happened, the people linking to the statement were from a rather racist server on Pleroma that I ran into when trying to find a free-speech-oriented server on the Fediverse. I didn't want to hang out with them either, but I agree with their sentiment that him having the position was problematic.
Lemmy is open-source, so that does place some bounds on things. If dessalines does something really objectionable with lemmy, if there are enough people who object to it but do like lemmy as a software project and are capable of continuing its development on their own, the project could be forked.
But at least for me, that was enough of a red flag that he wasn't aiming to separate his political positions from his role as lead dev of a potentially global discussion forum system. That, rather than the Marxist-Lenninist stuff or views on Ukraine or whatever, was what sent me over to kbin. I just didn't want to have to worry about dealing with potential friction down the line if things went sour.
Yeah I think your deliberations were probably correct. Thanks for laying them out. Hopefully the devs will keep their ideas and those of the users seperated.
lt appears I'm associated via lemmy. world.org. And, not via lemmy.ml. So hopefully the same goes for me, and I won't run into trouble later.
Personally, I prefer to stay away from all (kinds) " extremes", though unfortunately they seem quite fashionable of late. Though I definitely support fruitful discussions, and exchanging points of views, freedom of expression etc. within normality ofc.
Continuing my reaction.
About the funding Lemmy app development:
"This project was funded through the NGI0 Discovery Fund, a fund established by NLnet with financial support from the European Commission's Next Generation Internet programme, under the aegis of DG Communications Networks, Content and Technology under grant agreement No 825322."
In their own description nothing about Marxism/ Leninism afaik. So what's exactly going on?
OPSEC is important and not something that is talked about on the civilian side of things, I've noticed. That Russian convoy that got stopped at the beginning of the war and later shelled was a prime example of why it's important. The Russians thought they would be welcomed, so they were trying to get dates with some Ukrainian women while waiting. That lead to the obvious ending for the convoy.
I mean.. stop using Telegram, maybe? ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Good luck trying to delineate what's an "official" source. Units publish their work all day and night.
Except when there's a blackout request such as this.
There may be the odd media that makes it out, but the vast majority abide by the rules because they understand the importance of OPSEC.
This is a new request regarding an immenant operation, not a reminder.
Thank you for clarifying.
Yeah have seen many similar questions of what is meant, and discussions like this in the old reddit world.
I think the message and intent is clear enough.
I think that message (the quoted one from "Deputy Defense Minister Hannah Maliar") is directed at primary sources, people who have access pictures, videos or information that isn't published, or people who geolocate already published footage, and go publish on (mostly) telegram.
I'd say no new, original, geolocatable content should be posted here before it was announced, including new geolocations of existing footage, but preventing content that's already out there from being published won't achieve anything other than pushing people away from this community.
Seriously, Russians aren't stupid as some of us would like to think, when stuff is on telegram they have it.
This should be norm for all Fediverse. Enemy positions may be okay, but friendly positions are not.
I don't think that you could do that even with the devs on board, and I suspect that at least one would probably consider "the enemy" to be the Ukranian forces. Dessalines, the lead lemmy dev, seems pretty gung-ho on the idea that the USSR shouldn't have ended and objects to support to Ukraine being provided, and considers letting Finland/Sweden into NATO to be imperialism.
The irony of the tankies is that they claim to oppose imperialism, yet support imperialist powers in their own right. It's a pity that Lemmy is lumbered with such selfish pricks at its core.
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