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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 136 points 7 months ago (2 children)

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjva9m/afp-autistic-13-year-old-child-terrorism Original article, in case people don't want to take the word of a pepe person named "Right Wing Cope" for some reason.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 29 points 7 months ago

Thank you and sorry, I figured peeps would check the OP.

[–] blueson@feddit.nu 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think my largest issue was that they argued their point using a google-summary of an article. Thanks for linking the actual source.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 103 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I lived in a small town, and the cops were convinced that people were selling drugs at the Burger King.

So they had one of the new cops go undercover there for three months, and all they managed to get was some idiots who had a gram of weed (in a medical state) and five vicodin pills. The judge threw it out and warned the town about wasting the court's time.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 66 points 7 months ago (1 children)

that sounds like a very cool judge.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 47 points 7 months ago (2 children)

He knew he had a lot bigger fish to fry than two kids who stole drugs from their grandmother to get their coworker to stop bothering them about it.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 35 points 7 months ago

One of my favourite legal principles I don't see applied enough "de minimis non curat lex", "the law does not concern itself with trifles".

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like it. I wish more people were like this.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

From what I've seen, most judges are pretty straightforward with that shit. A couple are annoying about it, but it's mostly the police force that pulls shit like that, and sometimes the prosecution as well.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Something about the police strikes me as odd. If a judge can stay uncorrupted by power, why cant police? Assuming that this is the reason for their actions.

[–] foyrkopp@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The problem isn't straight-out corruption.

It's wonky incentivation.

Judges that are not measured by how many people they send to jail will always be, on average, less trigger-happy than cops who are.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 7 months ago

I can see how this would make it worse on average.

[–] Treemaster099@pawb.social 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately judges can be corrupted too. They can accept bribes to rule favorably and their clerks can charge unsolicited fees to lose files or giving access to judicial decisions before they're scheduled to release.

Absolute power currupts absolutely.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Although I get that it is possible, I dont think it is as common as police force corruption is.

[–] averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One factor is that judges are not normally stopped from joining the bench because their to smart, police officers are

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[–] Globeparasite@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

a judge can stay uncorrupted by power

funniest joke of all time in my countries they released terrorist to satisfy radical political parties

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 59 points 7 months ago (4 children)
[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The strictest definition of entrapment is when an LEO orders you to do something illegal; because you have to obey an order. Like if a traffic cop waves you through the intersection against a light to clear the road, they cannot then issue you a ticket.

It depends a lot on what the cops actually said to this kid, but I think there's a good chance to make that case.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 27 points 7 months ago

since cops can kill with no repercussions "orders" should have a broad interpretation

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like it, but it's Australia, and from what I know about Australian law, entrapment isn't really a thing. Australian pigs can just tell you to commit a crime, and then arrest you for committing that crime.

Just another reminder that All Cops Are Bastards.

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[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 9 points 7 months ago

I‘m not well versed in the law but others said so too.

[–] CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Only entrapment if you have money. If you're poor this is just referred to as 'life'.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 7 months ago

Cross-posting my comment from the other thread here because people should watch this video:

The only person at the senate inquiry into this that had any balls was Greens Senator David Shoebridge. Got his mic cut off for politely telling a cop to basically go fuck himself.

This is why I always put the Greens first on my ballot, in both state & federal and for both upper & lower houses. They’re the only viable leftist party in Australia imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbuFEl4M78

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In the decision, Fleming found law enforcement used “the guise of a rehabilitation service to entice the parents of a troubled child to engage in a process that resulted in potential harm to the child.”

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 18 points 7 months ago
[–] Lath@kbin.social 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This type of cops would throw in a bag of hard drugs in someone's car because they know the perp is using, but they can't find the hiding place.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 28 points 7 months ago

They should go to jail. My personal opinion is that breaking the law as someone under an oath (law enforcement, judge, lawyer) should always face twice the punishment. Once for the actual crime and once for the audacity to do so as a trusted hand of the law and corrupting public trust.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 23 points 7 months ago
[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 months ago

Nope. Never were.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sadly, this isn’t unusual. Sidenote: the movie The Day Shall Come is an excellent dark comedy based on this type of operation.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if I should be intrigued or scared.

[–] xrun_detected@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

It's produced by Chris Morris, so: both ;)

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Biblical old testament levels of it's a SIN if you can't resist all temptation.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 4 points 7 months ago

Very fitting.

[–] cyberfae@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago
[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Clearly had nothing better to do with their time.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 7 months ago

Sounds like it. Or they had an axe to grind.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

tl;dr: If you have autism, the police consider you an easy target for this sort of thing.

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[–] Globeparasite@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why does a lot of anglo-saxon forces seems to not know what it means to investigate terrorism. Like they have the same problem with their FBI in Burgerland

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A lot of autistic people are easy targets for informants and undercover officers. We saw this with the boogaloo movement. It's a bunch of informants who are blatantly exploiting the fact that autistic people are likely going to be vulnerable to people offering them a sense of acceptance and have trouble seeing through a setup.

The 2021 gun rights rally at the Ohio capitol was a perfect example of this. It was around two weeks after J6 and there was a supposed national gun rights rally that was supposed to happen at state capitols. It got called out by gun rights influencers who warned everyone that it was a setup because there was no organizer behind it and it was likely an attempt to either make gun owners into felons or smear them in some way.

There was a group of boogaloo boys who showed up and their leader had signs of autism. He showed no awareness and tried getting seen with a transwoman at the event.

They also showed up to the George Floyd protests and tried to hijack the protests to promote the boogaloo movement.

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[–] Halasham@dormi.zone 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ah, yes. The enemy being the enemy, exactly as expected. It's a work of exceptional propaganda that anyone tolerates our dystopia.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 7 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Not only propaganda. Also hierarchical thinking. People think of others (and other creatures) as less. Thats the core problem imo. We need to understand that. Autistics are not lesser than allistics. People with personality disorders arent lesser, political opposites are not lesser, etc. cooperation instead of competition.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

So the plot of Red Dead Redemption is not fictional at all...

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