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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 163 points 1 year ago (3 children)

People sometimes assume religious traditions’ ideas about gender have always been conservative and unchanging.

In many cases, "conservative" views are actually new! Conservatisms always claim to stand for the values of the past, but they quite often make up a past that didn't actually occur.

[–] 4am@lemmy.world 99 points 1 year ago

“The past” - you know, back when they were much younger and didn’t know how the world worked, so they made up a bunch of assumptions in their head and got mad whenever anyone told them they were wrong because it was obvious they were right since they’re brilliant and they came up with it.

[–] cheeseblintzes@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] cumbersomegod@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I first read this as "ancient rabbits" and was really confused for a moment.

[–] mintiefresh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Lmaooo I'm glad I'm not the only one.

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[–] Holodeck_Moriarty@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it would add some much needed levity to the public conversation if we started referring to people as "Tumtums"

[–] Lemmylefty@vlemmy.net 27 points 1 year ago

“Honey what’s wrong, you’ve barely touched your Androgyn-Os.”

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hermaphroditus is literally older than Jesus. Of course the ancients knew about them. We still use their words to describe Hermaphrodites.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

You're not wrong, however it's worth mentioning that the intersex community in general would prefer that term not be used

[–] avater@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I always say if it's in nature it's totally fine. And we see this in nature, Godzilla also swapped his gender mid-movie so what is the freaking problem with some people to acknowledge this?

[–] naura@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In shinto tradition there are male, female, and deities with no gender as well. They believe they were venerated before the common era.

[–] MadgePickles@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SparkleWagon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Ro-cky LOVES Em-il-y!

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always interpreted the “don’t be gay” Bible thing to mean “if you’re not gay, don’t pretend to be” kinda thing. So I’ve always thought what the Bible says is wrong is to not accept your sexuality & try to change it.

[–] B16_BR0TH3R@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think the bible says "don't be gay", I think it says something like "thou shalt not lay with a man as with a woman - that is an abomination".

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That just means not to have PIV sex. No biggy - gay men have a tendency to avoid that.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Probably says something else too, I’ve been seeing interpretations based on the Hebrew texts, and, unsurprisingly, the versions people know tend to get it wrong & just use the text to reinforce preexisting beliefs.

[–] GroovinChip@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I grew up an Orthodox Jew (I’m not as an adult). The way I learned it was that existing as a gay person, as in, that’s simply who you are, isn’t problematic. The issue is the act of gay sex itself, which is what the verse in the Torah refers to.

That is to say, your understanding is correct.

Disclaimer: I don’t care about it myself. Just explaining it how I was taught in Orthodox schools.

[–] B16_BR0TH3R@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It was the same for us lutherans here in northern europe, it was the act itself that used to be disallowed. They've since allowed practicing gay and lesbian priests though.

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