U.S. life expectancy drops by 2.7 years for the colonizers, and 6.6 years for the indigenous population over two just two years. : usa

[+] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Did you even read the article? Do you think the ruling class had the same drop as everyone else? The people you are wishing short, horrible lives on were among oppressed classes and the people you are wishing pain upon have little control of outcomes in their lives much less the actions of their government. Either you are hoping for more disparity between classes in the US at the expense of those who already oppressed, or you should be ashamed of your comment.

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[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sub-text: Unless those people are the victims of colonization or slave trade, then root for their premature deaths.

Careful, you might accidentally be what you think you hate.

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[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Who do you want to sacrifice for a revolution?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Revolutions happen when people run out of other options. By definition the conditions are such that many people are already being sacrificed. So the question for you is how many people are you willing to sacrifice to maintain the status quo?

[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was saying not to root for the death of the oppressed. I was suggesting that treating them as a good thing was gross. I never said I support any kind of status quo.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't see anybody rooting for the death of the oppressed here. What's being said is that the current system is responsible for often horrific and continuously deteriorating conditions for the majority. The cost of changing this system has to be weighed against the cost of allowing it to continue to operate.

[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

When a person responds to an article showing the acceleration of genocide on specific ethnic groups with "Inshallah it will fall further" they are no longer commenting on the state of the US. They are condoning the early deaths of my friends and family, people who are historically oppressed as a means to an end. These are people who have been fighting for their rights from a ruling class while trying to hold onto themselves for centuries. If the response is the US is bad so anything with a negative number in the US is good, well, that is reductionist at best.

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[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Out of luck on your little comment here then. It was Native Americans that took the big hit from what you are praising. So close. Maybe next time it will be the right race and you can feel justified.

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[–] gun@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine calling people who lived in a place 400-500 years colonizers. What is the threshold where a population becomes localized? I consider Palestinians indigenous to Palestine, even though they have not always lived there. If you do not think a population can become indigenized over hundreds of years, you will have a difficult time contending with Zionists who argue that Israelis are the original inhabitants of Palestine and that the land was taken from them, even as they displace people from the homes they have lived in for generations. How will you come to grips with the reality that 99.3% of the American population is non-native? Do you want all of these people to die?

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[–] gun@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I read that book already. It's just a bad book. Don't assume I don't understand things.

The U$ is the product of horrific genocide. Literally a successful version of the third Reich.

Ok, sure. But that doesn't answer any of my questions. Since you want to draw comparisons to the Nazis, did the soviets scapegoat the German people in East Germany or did they suppress the Nazi ideology and liberate the people regardless of nationality?

If i steal your car and give it to a friend, do you deserve your car back? What if it’s been a very long time?

This is just a shitty moralism, not an objective analysis. All land is stolen if you want to go there. And in communism me and your friend will share the car. Just like the land will be shared. There are two worlds that are exposed to us. The world that is, and the world that should be. With enough effort, we can objectively make sense of the world that is.
We can not objectively understand the world that should be, because there is a different version of that world for every person. But at the individual level, the fantasies we have play a small role in the real world.

So let's stick to the world that is and you can answer my questions from before.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@yogthos@lemmy.ml This headline is factually incorrect. Only one demographic group, indigenous people, dropped by this much. The overall drop is 2.7, as you can see from the graph.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fair, updated the title.

[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The title is still not correct. Nowhere in the article does it say what the life expectancy for colonizers is. Nowhere. What it does say is that the life expectancy average went down and that specific oppressed groups were heavily impacted. Again, there is nothing in this article saying that colonizer's life expectancy did anything.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The article states that the life expectancy for the indigenous population went down by 6.6 years. Other groups of people are the ones that colonized the land where indigenous population was displaced.

[–] Awoo@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Hmm I think the point Slatlun is trying to make is that the average of 2.7 in the whole population could in fact be just the indigenous population life expectancy decrease.

For example, if 11 people's lifespan drops by 6 years and 12 other people's lifespan doesn't drop at all, the average of the 23 people's lifespan drop is a 2.75 years.

Asian-Americans have the highest life expectancy of any group — 83.5 years — and only saw a 0.1 year decline from 2020. Meanwhile, Black Americans lost 0.7 years between 2020 to 2021.

This part gives us some understanding that other groups are different but the article leaves out white people.

Anyway I went and read the actual study and this graph gives a firm breakdown:

Asian and White lose 2 and 2.5 years while everyone else loses 4years+

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

yeah that's a good observation

[–] Slatlun@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yes, thank you.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Thanks.

[–] Thann@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I lost at least 8 years off my life in the last 2 =/

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