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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

The only thing we need to do is donate a tiny portion of our money to independent media that fights the system such as Badempanada or GDF etc.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago

the thing i like about Karl Marx is he never actually accomplished a damned thing in his life, and he got laid anyway

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Capitalism has lead to a lot of nice things (the average person today lives better than a medieval king did) but that doesn't mean it's perfect or can't be changed. Governments ensure people can use roads for free, provide education, pay retirement pensions, and fund all kinds of other social programs. There's minimum wage, industry regulations, health and safety regulations. None of these things are really "capitalist" but they exist in capitalist societies anyways.

I think it's possible to keep modifying what capitalism is until we have a system that does work for everyone.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Capitalism didn't lead to any of those things, and actively works against them.

Additionally, you're ignoring increasing rates of disparity due to Capitalism reaching greater and greater stages, and simply think band-aids can fix everything. It can't, the system itself is broken.

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[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

BUT YOU CAN DRINK THE TAP WATER. NUFF SAID

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How many kinds of capitalism are there?

How about a meme looking forward to the solution?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Capitalism doesn't work for you?

You're no different than those Religious extremists and science deniers using their mobile phones to screech about the evils of science.

Simply put : capitalism has issues that really must be resolved, few people would deny that. Capitalism also is the reason you have your mobile phone to complain about it, enough food on your table to be alive to complain bout it, and medication to make you stop complaining about being sick so that you can get back to complaining about capitalism.

Its been by far (and I really mean FAR) the most successful system of all. Yes, there are a bunch of abusers that should probably even be jailed, but don't stop capitalism, limit it. Put better rules in place to stop the abuse.

What? Communism had no abusers, you say? Sure dude, oh, I have a bridge here to sell you, you seem gullible enough to buy it.

Use limited capitalism to fund a well working socialist network

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[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

No, it's because despite being worse for the lower rungs of the human experience without strong controls, well-managed market economies lift countries higher than their alternate economy peers. Markets are more efficient because incentives drive the economy to prosperity at a faster rate. Feudalism, communism, anarchism, corporatism, etc are comparatively inefficient and eventually lead to a scenario where the market economies outpace others, and trade imbalances magnify that disparity. You eventually run a high risk of social upheaval when the people look at their more prosperous neighbors with envy, and wonder "why don't we have what they have?" You see either political instability to drive change, or authoritarian strongmen who delude the people that regardless of reality, the system in place is best. Economic power generally leads to military power too.

What happened to the USSR? Why are China and Vietnam now market economies? What kind of economy does North Korea have? Why don't countries still engage in mercantilism or feudalism?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
  1. What lifts people, development or individuals owning tools, rather than the collective? You seem to think it's the latter.

  2. The profit motive drives profit, not development. See: rapid enshittification and exploitation.

  3. Prove the inefficiency in Communism and Anarchism, this is a baseless claim.

  4. Development drives material conditions, not individuals owning tools.

All in all, you're full of it.

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

The profit motive drives profit, not development. See: rapid enshittification and exploitation.

The important thing there is 'how are incentives aligned?'

With a lightbulb factory, both the capitalist and the public wins if they're making better, cheaper lightbulbs. Because incentives are aligned, both the capitalist and the public wins when they figure out how to improve the factory. Look at the prices of LED bulbs or TVs over the last few decades.

Enshittification is due to the public being the product. The public does worse when the capitalist does better.

The profit motive is fundamentally a mixed bag.

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