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PS5 Has Outsold Xbox Series X|S 2 To 1, Newly Revealed Sales Data Suggests (www.gamespot.com)

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[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Assuming the number is accurate, the fact that that's with Xboxes pretty readily available and PS requiring jumping through hoops for a solid year+ after launch, and the series S being sub 300 is really rough for Microsoft.

Though their naming being so confusing I have to double check after looking at a listing that it's actually "current gen" or not definitely doesn't help.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have no idea on the name thing. What Microsoft are doing? Every one of their products just has a truly awful name now all of them are confusing.

See Microsoft Studio Code (an expensive and entirely average but workable program that is rarely used) vs MS Code (a truly excellent free program that has become industry standard) - Oh and both programs icons look basically identical and are slightly different shades of blue but otherwise have the same image.

[–] Loki@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Are you talking about Visual Studio Community/Professional/Enterprise and Visual Studio Code? Because if so, I don't really agree. Visual Studio is an IDE (VS Community is the free tier) whereas VS Code is a code editor (as the name implies).

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes they're different products yet they have very similar names.

[–] Loki@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

Your comment says "Microsoft Studio Code" and "MS Code", neither of which is a thing (as I tried to point out). The actual software you're talking about is "(MS) Visual Studio" and "(MS) Visual Studio Code", and that naming convention is pretty common for products (and other things) that are different but similar (think Photoshop and Photoshop Express, PSX and PS2, C and C++ etc.).

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

It's mind boggling. I know a lot of other tech has awful naming. But they at least have the excuse that they have a lot of products to name. 360 was dumb, one was dumber. One S/X was just weird. But Series S/X after that? Giant mess. Two S/X would have still been dumb, but at least people would know it was actually better.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

What hoops??

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

It was an insanely long time before you could walk into a store and buy a PS5. You'd have to catch specific retailers right when they dropped a couple units online.

Eventually Sony let you sign up for a waiting list, and if you had a real history on their platform you'd get a shot in a reasonable amount of time to order within like a 12 hour window they gave you.

Xbox wasn't completely immune to that. But for a long time, if your goal was just "get a next gen console to play Madden or FIFA" (whatever multiplatform game had a mechanically better next gen version that people who mostly play one game would want), it was a lot easier to do that with Xbox.

It's pretty clear that that's mostly because PS was way more popular, but the audience I'm talking about might consider switching if it means they can play that one game now.

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Since scalpers would buy out all the stores and stuff, many people such as myself initially turned to discord channels for tracking new shipments to different retailers. I would check it a few times a day, checking Best Buy branches' online inventories. Eventually Sony made a system where you could register with your PlayStation account for a slot ordering from the next available shipment.

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 0 points 9 months ago

I guess I got lucky then.

I woke up at around 4am, thought “I wonder if PS5 preorders are open yet”, went to amazon, see that preorders are indeed up, one-click purchase. Go back to sleep. Got it on launch day.

[–] Poiar@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago

Somehow, Xbox really won me over this generation. I own the XSX and the PS5 disk versions, and one is collecting dust. I think it's the backwards compatibility for old disks that is just so alluring

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 6 points 9 months ago

Not really surprising, Microsoft has been going a lot harder on the PC and cloud front, so it makes sense that their audience is split between those and Xbox, meanwhile Sony exclusives are only available on PS5.

[–] SteefLem@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

[–] SteefLem@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

[–] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago

Been playing a lot of cloud gaming on my PC with a fiber connection. I'm just gonna build a new PC.

[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Considering what a disaster Sony's hardware has been, this honestly really sucks.

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

News to me, what's up with the hardware?

Edit: ITT: a dude so defiantly wrong he uses edits to imply he's the only person making any sense.

[+] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com -11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Since PS2, they've always major deficiencies.

The PS3 was underpowered, which limited the scope of some multi-platform games, and the controllers had this ridiculous design where the battery was connected by a ribbon cord held in place by foam that degrades, the PS4 controllers have major problems with drifting, and the PS5 has been nearly unattainable because of hardware component shortages that were notably specific to them.

Edit: ITT: Sony Stans who love the that New Vegas got cut down, that PS3 and PS4 controllers are paper mache, and that the PS5 enabled and enriched scalpers like never before. And people wonder why gaming hardware keeps getting worse.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So because of issues with past systems and shortages due to pandemic supply chain problems almost every manufacturer had to negotiate, you think it's a bad thing they're outselling MS?

As someone who has both systems, I rarely use the X Box, unless it's a game exclusive to it. Sony's controllers are far better IMO, and it's a better media center too, which to be honest is what I use it for the majority of the time.

[+] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com -9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That a real funny way of saying "long and continuing history of subpar hardware."

It's not like I'm talking about "Oopsy woopsy Walmart didn't have a PS5," I'm talking about continuous, shoddy, overpriced hardware. Users shouldn't have to question whether their $70 purchase will last the month.

This has been a trend for every console they put out since the PS2.

PS3? Less powerful and more expensive with poorly made controllers.

PS4? Power's fine, but controllers are way more expensive and even worse than before.

PS5? Fine on power, but still more expensive, and with supply chain issues that far exceeded anything faced by Microsoft or Nintendo, placing the issue most likely based in their, say it with me, hardware design.

[–] thantik@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The Xbox still doesn't even have Gyros in its controllers. I don't think you can stand on the "major deficiencies" with this tribalist console hate. Gyro aiming is next-level amounts of amazing, and the fact that they don't even have THAT is a testament to how little they give a shit.

[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

As someone who dropped consoles entirely because I got sick of getting burned by Sony...

K, pal.

I don't even own a XBox One, but my brother does, and you wanna know something? He hasn't had a problem with drifting once. I, on the other hand, have had two $60 controllers start drifting on me. My early model Switch's original joycons still work better.

[–] thantik@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's weird, because the PS5 has a pro controller where you can easily replace the sticks and Xbox hassssss....nothing equivalent. Any xbox controller will suffer the same stick-drift so long as they are using carbon pad analog sticks. The only true solution is hall-effect. I don't own either of those consoles, but I use a PS5 controller on my switch occasionally. Yeah...did ya know that? The PS5 controller works on the switch -- flawlessly.

On top of having gyro aim, a mouse trackpad, and programmable trigger feeling - it really is in a complete league of its own as a controller. Triggers can be programmed to give force feedback, to have snap, to be completely soft, or harder to press all via software.

In games, the left, right, and top of the trackpad can be used to quickly swipe between weapon loadouts, etc. There really is no equivalent. Sony, in this generation, out Nintendo'd Nintendo on controller innovation.

And get this...it's not the Dual Sense that just came along with this shit - this has been available since the Dual Shock. All Microsoft does is throw money at gobbling up existing game companies, rebadge PCs with software that lock them down, and use a decade-old controller that hasn't seen any innovation in ...well... ever.

So your argument that PS controllers suck? Complete bullshit. Doesn't hold water. They're great controllers, and you're showing that you care more about the PS/Xbox war than giving an honest take on things.

[–] Ganbat@lemmyonline.com -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

the PS5 has a pro controller where you can easily replace the sticks

You mean the controller that costs $200 while the normal one is still $70 with no way to deal with drift?

Any xbox controller will suffer the same stick-drift so long as they are using carbon pad analog sticks.

Except controllers made with better quality components won't start drifting anywhere near as fast. Late-model PS4 controllers could barely outlast their warranty because they were made so much cheaper. What fucking good is gyro aim when you have to spend $60-$70 every six months?

And ya know what? I'm not even gonna bother with the rest of your shit spewing because you're such a damned clown.

[–] thantik@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

You mean the controller that costs $200 while the normal one is still $70 with no way to deal with drift?

Except that's the point of THAT controller - the sticks can be swapped without swapping the entire controller.

Then we've got the $180 Xbox Elite that you can't swap out the sticks easily but they allow you to put different color caps on the buttons? WOW...you sure owned me there!

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

I'm hardly a Sony Stan, but you can call me one if it makes you feel better when I say... I have no idea what you're talking about.

hardware component shortages that were notably specific

What was specific to the PS5 that wasn't shared by the XSX? The specs of are almost identical. Same AMD processor, same generation and architecture, same amount and type of memory. Any supply chain woes that affected one almost certainly affected the other.

Except for that insane proprietary memory expansion card that Xbox uses that cost $200 per TB. It took them 3 years to come up with cheaper options. Meanwhile Sony just uses off the shelf NVME drives whose price has been slowly decreasing ever since the pandemic.

The PS3 was underpowered

It is well documented that the PS3's weakness was the complexity of it's design not necessarily how powerful it was.

the PS5 enabled and enriched scalpers

This is such a confusing statement, it's Not Even Wrong. You make it sound like Sony built scalpability into the PS5. You're angry at the inanimate object? Not what the awful people did with it? People scalped the PS5 because it was in higher demand, not because it was made of gold.