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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 62 points 9 months ago (5 children)

You know, I don't see the problem here. Though the language is currently problematic, it's a valid message.

I disagree with the language being problematic, since the dictionary definition of "retard" is literally to be held back or to hold back. Persons who are mentally held back are by definition being mentally retarded. It's a valid clinical term.

It really is a shame that "retarded" became a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid. A word which is widely regarded as insulting more than anything else.

The other thing that saddens me is that while we have associations for people who are clearly and significantly mentally handicapped, when it comes to simple mental health for everyone else, it's often regarded as a sign of weakness. Any attempt to seek help for any mental issues is generally looked down upon. There's a large number of people who not only would benefit from mental health services but need them to lead fulfilling lives. So many people struggle with disorders that aren't as obvious and have no facilities to seek help or even a diagnosis to understand themselves; at least not without significant personal resources at their disposal, which most lack.

That whole side of humanity generally just needs a small push to get to their potential, and they are often denied a chance to get that push. Either from economic barriers, or social stigma, or other reasons. We actively harm the potential of the race, in my opinion, by allowing those people to continue to struggle with disorders they don't understand that may be able to be solved with a fairly simple prescription, or changes in their behaviors.

Given how massive this issue is and how easily it could be solved (by providing very basic mental health services to everyone who needs them), I'm continually disappointed in humanity as a whole that this is allowed to continue. This message, no matter what Barbara might say, or want to have happen with this message, it is one that should be repeated, perhaps with more modern terms, and such institutions as what is promoted here, should be maintained. There's no shame in needing help; regardless if you are someone with a mental disorder, or full mental disability, those services should be made available.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Though the language is currently problematic, it's a valid message.

Back in the 80s, many people lamented how the word gay had been "ruined" for them.

From that time, there was a sketch by Toronto's comedy troupe The Kids In The Hall of a little old lady lamenting how the word f-gg#t had been ruined for her. Back in her day, a f-gg#t was a bundle of dry sticks, "on cold winter nights we'd huddle by the fireplace and we'd throw another f-gg#t in the fire", she says with a sigh.

Then she goes on to say how she used to like fisting - calls it a needlepoint technique - until her friends told her what that word meant now.
She speculates that the word rambler might now mean something filthy, too. All those lovely old words, now tucked away, can't use them anymore.

EDIT: I am using a certain word in historical context here, got censored, so I edited it to see if it now flies under the bots' radar.

[–] die444die@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

As far as it becoming a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid - thats basically what constantly happens. A new word comes out and eventually it is used to insult people and then another new word starts being used.

For an example:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

“Autism” seems to be the new accepted term to bastardize into a pejorative, but we haven’t reached the point where the scientific community has to abandon it yet.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It really is a shame that "retarded" became a word of disparagement and slang for those who are stupid. A word which is widely regarded as insulting more than anything else.

"Moron" was literally something doctors used to describe certain patients once too. Any clinical term used to describe someone of low intelligence (putting aside the difficulties in making that determination in any universal sense) will inevitably be used as a pejorative/insult. It can't be stopped.

[–] marito@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yep. In the 90s when I grew up, the politically correct term was "mentally challenged", which eventually started being used as an insult. The current term is "special needs" and already I've seen it used as an insult.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The word, Autistic, is just beginning this journey. I've seen people use that as an insult, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is considered antiquated and insulting by the time I am old.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

The current term is "intellectual disability" and has been since the DSM-V was published in 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability

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[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same with "simpleton", "idiot", "feeble-minded", and "imbecile". It really is fascinating how language evolves.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

The semantic treadmill can't be stopped.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree 100%, if I may add: Society has also little place for "stupid" people. I mean people with a smaller IQ but who are not special needs. I have a friends who really, with all the best of support, is just not smart. Who has barely managed to finish school and couldn't understand stuff in their vocational training (I live in Germany, that's the typical route to go). She is working in a cafeteria now, serving food. She has this job for years and years now, she's well adapted there. It's not a special needs job, it is just the kind of job you get if you don't have a (vocational) degree to show for.

And there is no actual problem with that. She has friends and a husband and a fulfilling life. She's happy. She does her job well. You can argue that school has failed her but the truth is no matter what you do, she'd never become a lawyer or an accountant. That's just not in the cards for her. And that's ok. But what's not is that she is struggling with money. Because this is where society fails her. Assuming that you can always do better, have a "higher" job, if you just try hard enough. Like, no. We all have limitations. I couldn't be a doctor because I faint when someone tells me about injuries. That's ok, too. She won't have a career or manage the canteen, she's content, she doesn't want that either, but she will probably have to work until she dies because her retirement won't be enough. This isn't fair.

I've seen this with tutoring school children too. Some kids just won't make it to university and some won't even finish school. Or they will but that's just it then. And the sad part is not that they won't have an amazing education but that despite holding down a job they will just never be able to make it to a point in which they will not struggle financially.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

I agree, there will always be differences in intellectual capacity. It's not a problem as people are needed of every capacity for every type of job to do the work. There's nothing wrong with someone being of low IQ and taking a job they're capable of fully grasping. Often, I find that people in positions that suit them often do better at those jobs than people ill suited to their position.

For me it's really not about how smart you are or what you're intellectually capable of, it's about how well you do at the job you have. Knowing the nuances of that position and how to handle situations in the context of the job, which makes you a valuable member of society.

It is shameful that people of low IQ are used as an offending stereotype for society as a whole. Low IQ doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things; especially when taken in context with someone's utility to society. Some of the most important and helpful people are those with limited intellectual capacity, or holding jobs well suited to people with limited IQ. As an extreme example, say someone who is low IQ works on a farm growing food. That farmer does a good job because they're all suited to the kind of work they do. This allows more intellectually capable people pursue advancements that can benefit everyone including the farmer. Whether designing vehicles or electronics/computers, or even keeping complex systems running... Everyone is important. People of all IQs and walks of life and everything.

I would argue that people of low IQ are the bedrock of modern society. The people who handle the day to day service needs of the general population. They provide, and maintain the framework in which we all live. Without them, or someone to do those jobs, I believe that society would collapse.

Of course, I continue to believe that everyone of all walks of life should continue to make efforts to improve upon themselves; gain more knowledge and "move up in the world" as they are capable... But no matter what, we still need people who will grow, cook and serve food. We still need people to stock shelves and drive trucks. We still need people to do so much of the work that makes our lives possible at all. Not everyone can be an Einstein. While the notable inventors and thinkers get their names in history books, that progress is built on the backs of hundreds or thousands of "menial labor" workers that helped get us to the point where people of high IQ can spend their lives working on these problems and finding solutions the rest of us couldn't possibly have thought of.

We're all a part of the society in which we live, if we're doing our best to contribute to that society and provide meaningful progress to future generations, then everyone is important. Not just those with fame and notoriety in the history books.

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

The way I see it is if a word causes harm to people who mean no harm themselves, then we don't need to use that word in any contexts other than historical. Just like how the use of the words ******, and ******, and my goodness even the word ********* have fallen out of use, rightfully so.

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[–] maquise@ttrpg.network 40 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Is that the woman with the house that nobody’s supposed to see?

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You mean this 2002 Kenneth & Gabrielle Adelman, California Coastal Records Project, photograph that she attempted to suppress in 2003?

Is that the photograph you were referring to? Then yes, you're absolutely not supposed to see this.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

I'm gonna save this picture just in case I want not to see it later.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

You know what, I get that has a pretty view and all but I've seen too many clifs breaking and the house on top falling over. No thanks.

[–] InfiniteStruggle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

In line with the wishes of Madam Streisand I have looked at everything in this picture except for the center, which is where I assume the house to be. One of you (Only one of you) may look at the house without disturbing the net number of time sthis house has been seen.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

She has a fake shopping mall in her basement. Seriously. That is far weirder than any photo of the outside of her house.

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-barbra-streisand-tiny-shopping-mall-basement-malibu-2023-11

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[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you think she'll sue to have this one taken down too, inadvertently raising awareness of the increasing rate of children are born with special needs?

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 2 points 9 months ago

It's been 20 years since that one incident, but maybe

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
  1. Invent a new name for an undesirable condition
  2. People start using this name as an insult
  3. Get offended that an insult is used to refer to people with said condition
  4. Go back to 1
[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Euphemism treadmill

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 9 months ago

In the UK people of a certain age remember Joey being an insult.

This is because Blue Peter, a popular kids show, had a segment on a heavily disabled man called Joey Deacon. Between him and his friends at the care home, they had written a small book, at a few words a day. This, they thought, would endear the disabled to the nation's children, who would see that just because somebody cannot speak or move, they could still achieve something.

The next day, every playground was awash with kids calling each other Joey and grunting at each other.

Blue Peter really did not know us at all.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Except it is not said condition. Because the condition was a misdiagnosis.

"Hysteria" was once a diagnosis for overly-emotional women. It was a misdiagnosis too. And now calling people hysterical is often viewed by those people as offensive. Even if they are being overly-emotional.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (6 children)

You'll need to elaborate a little, I get how hysteria is made up bullshit, but some people are developmentally delayed, and what's another word for delayed?

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[–] Hootz@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Language changes, Barbra though she never changes and I read the quote in her voice.

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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I'm sure the ad is real, although I don't know it for a fact. It is still a real organization, though the name changed 30ish years ago. It was between 10 and 15 years ago that Obama signed Rosa's law, changing the words in federal law to "mental disability" or "an individual with an intellectual disability".

Remember, there was a time when that wasn't a pejorative term. It was a diagnosis. The way people used the word to "other" those with disabilities is what made it pejorative. Prior to that it was a neutral term.

A lot of terms used to make fun of intelligence used to be a diagnosis, like idiot and imbecile. That's really neither here nor there, but I find it interesting how mental medical diagnoses become insults but physical ones don't. I've never had someone yell "you play baseball like a paraplegic!" at me.

Edit: I was wrong and have been corrected. See below.

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

I think "cripple" is considered pejorative, though I don't know if it was ever a medical term.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Spazz is a pejorative term derived from spasticity.

[–] doofy77@aussie.zone 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also a great band if you're into powerviolence.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

I am and you are correct.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I didn't know that!

[–] thantik@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This has been up 6 hours and some lemming hasn't shouted "REEEEE ABLEIST SLURRRRR!" from the rooftops? Color me surprised.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Ok, now climb down from that rooftop before you fall or something

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I just looked up the history of ARC (previously NARC). It started in the 30's when Retarded was the medical term for intellectual disability. Now that Retarded is a pejorative they changed their name to ARC (no longer an acronym) in the 90's.

Looks pretty heinous today but when this ran it was probably an acceptable use of the word.

I can't speak to the text of the PSA though, I got lost in the Wiki rabbit hole trying to figure that out.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Retardation is a technical term as well. An engine retarder is one that slows the compression to ease the performance. I don't think it was intended to be malicious, but it ended up that way.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah for sure. Retard is fine in a lot of instances but using it as an insult to refer to people is the pajorative, and it makes sense that an organization catering to intellectual disabilities would want to distance themselves. Isn't language fun. I am still reeling from the new slang the kids invented.

[–] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 4 points 9 months ago
[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

I'm 90% sure I am. At least that's what people keep telling me.

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