Would I prefer another candidate? Sure. Will I vote for Biden, especially against Trump? With alacrity!
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I notice the talking points have shifted around to "the Democrats all wanted it to be someone else" in the last couple of days. It's the kind of fact-free criticism that can worm its way into people's minds and is tough to counteract.
OP constantly posts that talking point.
I've decided to start using "block" like a Usenet killfile -- basically it doesn't have to be a big deal, just someone whose content I'd prefer not to see.
I blocked them, realized I couldn't reply to you with this message once I did, then unblocked them, and plan to reblock right after sending this.
Gotta get your blocks in 😉 (I understand)
People burying their head in the sand wont change his numbers.
Yes, look at these terrible numbers.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say he could win on that poll just based on the margin of error.
But oh so terrible numbers.
A shitload of democrats and just about all independents to the left of the DNC (which is millions if not tens of millions of potential voters) DID want someone else and still do, though.
Especially since he's stubbornly refusing to depart from his unconditional support for the Israeli apartheid regime even as more and more voters do.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying that he's not a MUCH lesser evil than Trump or that anyone who can shouldn't vote for him.
That doesn't mean that he's above criticism or universally popular amongst everyone to the left of the fascist GOP. Which are supposed to be the people he's representing.
A shitload of democrats...
That's always true in every election, and should be. If it were most Democrats, someone might have beat Biden in the primaries, but they won't.
I'm getting old. Biden is the farthest left president of my lifetime and there's no major candidate running to his left this year.
If it were most Democrats, someone might have beat Biden in the primaries
No way to know for sure since the primaries are controlled by the party leadership, all of whom are firmly pro-Biden and some of whom have been known to rig the contests in favor of their preferred candidates before.
I'm getting old. Biden is the farthest left president of my lifetime
No. Even Obama was further left and he was very much a Clintonite too.
Some of Congress and some on Biden's cabinet (most of which were appointed on the advice of others) are further left, but Biden himself is just barely to the left of Joe Manchin.
there's no major candidate running to his left this year.
Because they're literally not allowed to by the DNC leadership.
"Someone else" sure. But not anyone on the ballot. For me they'd need to be both more progressive AND have a shit's chance of beating Trump. Bernie maybe but he's not going to pull centrist votes nor will he dodge the age question. Biden is, unfortunately, our best shot at retaining democracy for another 4 years.
Bernie could have done it in 2016 and in 2020, but not this round. Biden did actually win the big party, so you stick with the horse that runs.
Bernie couldn't even win the Democratic primary, how was he gonna win the general?
Bernie was running away with it both times, before ratfuckery ensued. You can live in denial of it, but whatever, it happened.
Bernie wasn't running away with it in 2016. I say this as someone who voted for Bernie in both 2016 and 2020. Bernie put up an amazing showing for an old socialist from Vermont against the DNC's crown princess with some 30+ years of national fame and name recognition, but he was never in serious reach of the nomination.
In 2020 he was very close, but he got outplayed, unfortunately, by the moderates who united against him, and the other progressive in the race who chose to stay in and split the vote and crush what chance he had.
Yeah. And yet no one can name an alternative.
No one can name an alternative
(disclaimer am not American) I say Biden is fine for the US despite his faults and mistakes, but President Sanders would be the best alternative if the world could have one.
I’d also prefer a 9” wang, but here we are. I’m voting Brandon.
This headline is so confusing..
Do they mean Democrats would prefer another candidate or Repuplicans would?
Yes, I think democrats wanted another candidate (Bernie was running away with it till the mass drop out and endorsement of Biden, eg, ratfuck two, electric boogaloo), but I also think democrats are resigned to voting for Biden.
Like its fine, we didn't want him in the first place but this is obviously a strategic vote.
Do they mean Democrats would prefer another candidate or Repuplicans would?
That's probably true for both parties. A large majority of voters didn't want a Biden/Trump rematch, but here we are.
He could die any second, of natural causes to be clear. I like to think of it as voting for a corpse placeholder that will likely be replaced with Harris, who isn't great herself but isn't mostly dead like Biden or Trump.
He's getting a lot of votes for someone we didn't want.
Again, who are you talking about?
This best part of a Biden win is finding out who will be the DNCs successor in the the next election. Sanders is out of the question but if we could get someone along those lines that'd be great.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The series of engagements illustrate the opportunities and challenges Biden faces as he enters a contest against an opponent he has openly labeled a threat to democracy, yet whom some polls show with a small nationwide lead.
They viewed Trump’s grievance-laden speech Tuesday evening – in which he complained about Nikki Haley’s decision to remain in the race, and insulted her choice of dress – as a perfect example of the split-screen they hope will be on display frequently over the coming months, as the former president vows to run a campaign of retribution.
It has now become routine for Biden’s public events to be interrupted by similar protests – including as he was accepting the UAW’s endorsement Wednesday – though the volume of demonstrators at the abortion speech was higher than previously seen.
Democratic jitters about Biden’s reelection prospects have been smoldering for months, leading to anxious conversations among party leaders and donors about his campaign’s strength and structure heading into the general election.
Jen O’Malley Dillon and Mike Donilon were long expected to play critical roles in Biden’s reelect effort no matter where they were sitting, and the moves were hardly surprising.
Consumer sentiment is improving, inflation is easing and wages are rising, all providing optimism inside the West Wing and campaign headquarters that Americans’ views of the economy could soon catch up to indicators that have long been trending positive.
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Its not just the party that wanted someone else, its 70% of dem voters