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[-] 312@lemm.ee 409 points 11 months ago

This is Musk’s “Reichstag Fire” moment for Twitter.

The rate limiting is not because of “extreme manipulation”, but because of piss-poor code that Twitter deployed as part of their change to only allow tweets to be viewed if logged in. Twitter is effectively DDoSing itself right now. But, it creates an opportunity for Musk to create a narrative.

These “temporary” limits will probably remain inevitably, as they provide another benefit to Twitter - they drive Blue subscriptions. Unfortunately, they also repel free users from using the platform entirely, and at a much higher ratio.

Twitter is going to become even more of a cesspool than it already is at an alarming rate. Crazy how many established social media platforms have decided to crumble at the exact same time.

[-] Korne127@lemmy.world 281 points 11 months ago

Oh my god, this is just too funny.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 72 points 11 months ago

"The DDOS is coming from INSIDE the HOUSE!"

[-] lunarmedic@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

My lord. And they can't/won't piece 1+1 together? Hanlon's razor dictates they are indeed idiots.

[-] 312@lemm.ee 48 points 11 months ago

In order to quickly fix it they would probably have to roll back the change to require login to view tweets, which would be admitting that it wasn’t caused by “attacks” on Twitter, which Elon won’t do. Rock and a hard place.

[-] zos_kia@lemmy.fmhy.ml 45 points 11 months ago

My guess is that they are severely understaffed. Happens when the new boss is a noob in the industry and fires the people he needs...

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[-] coldv@lemmy.world 144 points 11 months ago

I find it especially bizarre that spez took inspiration and guidance from Musk. I can entertain the possibility of Musk intentionally driving Twitter to the ground (though he sure is taking the scenic route), but Reddit? It just seems like the rich tech bros have collectively lost their minds

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[-] notExactlyI20@lemmy.world 70 points 11 months ago

Yo for real, what's up with all these social media sites literally shooting themselves in the foot as we speak?.

Youtube planning to antagonize adblock users and limiting video watching, Reddit killing itself with ~~bureocracy~~ style and now Twitter doing this shit. Hopefully shit sites like TikTok or Facebook jump on the wagon too.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

For reddit at least, The money from VCs dried up. They have to monetise fast or go broke.

Elon way way way overplayed for Twitter and the company is hemorrhaging money paying the loans he took out to pay for the purchase.

Google in general is in decline. Ad sales are down as the net becomes SEO'd to death. Marketing teams just aren't willing to pay for Google ads like they used to since the roi isn't there anymore.

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[-] simplecyphers@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There are several negatives to the limitation too. Advertisers (which are already leaving in droves) are even further discouraged from placing ads that have a much smaller chance of being seen.

Edit: spelling

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[-] fidodo@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 11 months ago

It goes deeper than that.

This all started with the API changes. Before they were charging a fair price for the API and companies happily paid it for the convenience. Then Elon got greedy he started charging a ridiculous amount for the API so those companies decided it would be worth it to just deal with the annoyance and switch to scraping the website instead. But when you hit the website it's way less efficient than hitting the API because it's doing a bunch of mixing and ranking which is a lot more complicated and costly than serving static content, which costs a small fraction of real time algorithmic ranking. So now instead of making money off companies that want their data they're losing money on the cloud costs to serve the scrapers.

More recently, they haven't been paying their hosting bills to Google and their service was set to expire at the end of last month. What just happened at the start of this month? They added the limitations. That can't be a coincidence. Now the Google services weren't hosting the site itself, otherwise they'd probably be fully down right now, but it was hosting their trust and safety services for things like fighting spam. That could have also been hosting anti scraper services as well. Since they're so under staffed they probably couldn't swap the services in time, so instead of having anti scraping services like every other big company on the internet, they decided to cut service instead. It's just built up incompetence coming to a head.

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[-] ArgonautVehicle@lemmy.world 166 points 11 months ago

Elon Musk, the latest billionaire owner of the online screaming match known as Twitter, sat slumped at his desk, staring at a wall of monitors blinking with a technicolor smorgasbord of error messages. The reason? He'd just let Twitter's hosting contract with Google lapse because he thought it'd be fun to see if he could migrate it somewhere else. The results? Not so fun.

A comment on Reddit had caught his eye, and he couldn't shake it. "Every now and then Elon must have a moment of clarity. Where it occurs to him 'Maybe I am just stupid?' But then he violently buries the thought."

"Stupid?" he scoffed aloud to his empty office, sending a mini landslide of Mars Rover prototypes tumbling off his desk. "I'm a genius."

He remembered how smart he'd felt when he decided to axe the account verification system, only to reinstate it after a week of high-profile mix-ups that included the Dalai Lama being mistaken for a llama enthusiast.

And the content moderation! Who needs it? Well, as it turned out, everyone. Without it, Twitter had turned into a feral wilderness of conspiracy theories, insult slinging, and more unsolicited pictures of eggplants than a greengrocer's catalog.

And then there was Kanye. "Free Kanye!" he'd declared one afternoon after one too many rocket fuel coffees. But after the notorious rapper had declared war on flannel shirts and clogged up the site with CAPS LOCK tweets, the ban was back on faster than you can say "Kim Kardashian for president."

"Stupid?" he muttered again, watching as Twitter spontaneously DDOS'd itself like a robotic bull in a digital china shop.

There was a pause. Then a grin spread slowly across Elon's face, as if he'd just understood the punchline to a particularly tricky joke. "Naaaah," he laughed, slapping the desk.

He looked at the chaos on the screens, the digital calamity his decisions had wrought, and couldn't help but chuckle. There was something amusing about being this absurdly, cosmically, hilariously brilliant.

"Back to the drawing board," he chuckled, picking up a Mars Rover and making it do little jumps across his desk.

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[-] jamesoh5@lemmy.world 149 points 11 months ago

As a former individual who understands the underlying systems, it seems like they botched deployment of a new feature causing issues and cannot figure out how to solve them.

Most of Twitter is and has been in maintenance mode since acquisition (think of 10 man engineering team and 1 left to handle maintenance).

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 73 points 11 months ago

This is why it cracks me up every time when someone is praising Elon for "cutting slack" when firing all those twitter employees. Yes, twitter did not implode immediately. Turns out, people can build software that is stable enough to run in maintenance mode. But good luck dealing with new issues cropping up.

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[-] Captain_Breadbeard@reddthat.com 59 points 11 months ago

I don't think I've ever met a former individual. What happened? Was it like a Frankenstein thing?

[-] tox_solid@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

Former individual is just the politically correct way to say dead guy.

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[-] drpebcak@lemmyrs.org 139 points 11 months ago

That rate limit is insanely low, even for verified. I’m not verified, but I hit the limit in like 10 minutes of very distracted usage.

[-] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 55 points 11 months ago

Yeah, 600/800 sounds like a lot until you realize that includes all the stuff you're just scrolling past in your feed or comments, not even clicking on. I wouldn't be surprised if they even overlooked the fact that ads might count against that cap too. I'm no heavy user but hit that cap in less than 20 minutes of reading people reacting to the news.

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[-] jadedwench@lemmy.world 119 points 11 months ago

Transcription for the blind: Screenshot of a Twitter post from Elon Musk, Twitter handle @elonmusk, that says:

To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we've applied the following temporary limits:

  • Verified accounts are limited to reading 6000 posts/day
  • Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
  • New unverified accounts to 300/day

1:01 PM Jul 1, 2023 3.6M Views

-Transcription from a human volunteer. Let me know how I can do better.

[-] PoppinKREAM@sh.itjust.works 107 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thank you for the transcription, human volunteer :)

The sequence of events from Elon Musk acquiring Twitter to now is an incredible journey.

  • Elon Musk bought a social media company for tens of billions, attempted to back out of the deal but couldn't because of his ineptitude by signing away the ability to reneg on the deal.^[1]

  • Then there was the freedom of speech advocacy from Musk where he ultimately unbanned racists and then he began sharing bigoted Tweets. But it's only freedom of speech for his bigoted supporters, when authoritarian governments ask Musk to censor people/tweets he abides by their requests.^[2]

  • The site becomes inundated with the alt right rife with bigotry.^[3]

  • The whole verified blue check mark debacle where verification became something you could pay for, with people making fake "official" accounts. For example a fake account impersonating a pharmaceutical company caused their stock to drop abruptly following a joke tweet.^[4]

  • Twitter engages in mass layoffs and multiple things break on the site. There are also reports that they can't pay rent in certain locations. Twitter is hemorrhaging advertisors, as they record a 59% reduction in advertising revenue.^[5]

  • Elon Musk posts tweets seemingly apologizing for some of the changes and says he will follow the will of the people by posting polls for users to vote on policy changes. Musk asks if he should step down, to which the majority vote in favour of his removal. He then goes on a tirade about bots after losing in the poll. He goes on to say that only paid subscribers will be permited to vote in future polls. Vox Populi, Vox Dei.^[6]

  • The crème de la crème is Elon Musk implementing a new restriction where you have to be logged in to see tweets. Inadvertently DDOSing his own site.


  1. New York Times - Why Elon Musk Can’t Back Out of Buying Twitter, According to Twitter

  2. Forbes - Twitter Has Complied With Almost Every Government Request For Censorship Since Musk Took Over, Report Finds

  3. The Atlantic -Twitter Is a Far-Right Social Network

  4. Forbes - Fake Eli Lilly Twitter Account Claims Insulin Is Free, Stock Falls 4.37%

  5. New York Times - Twitter’s U.S. Ad Sales Plunge 59% as Woes Continue

  6. The Guardian - Elon Musk breaks silence after 10 million Twitter users vote for him to step down

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[-] PlaidDragon@lemmy.world 100 points 11 months ago

I thought this guy was supposed to be stepping down - didn't he even announce the new CEO?

[-] designatedhacker@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago

She was supposed to ride it the last mile to the dump off a glass cliff. Then she tried to fix it so he's stepping in to finish it off.

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[-] mtnwolf@lemmy.world 87 points 11 months ago

I find this more mildlyhumorous than infuriating. I'm looking forward to a new era where every news article no longer includes a string of embedded tweets. :) As a non-twitter user, this certainly doesn't encourage me to bother making an account.

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[-] JayK117@aussie.zone 85 points 11 months ago

Therefore any company that puts out notices or alerts via Twitter should immediately exit the platform. Running their own server on mastodon would be a better bet

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[-] ___hulk@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago

This reeks of him scaling back infrastructure to reduce costs, gets overloaded, and the C-level talent remainings best idea to prop it up is rate limiting.

Pathetic.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 79 points 11 months ago

Maybe I'm dumb, but this is starting to seem like these Tech CEOs are dumber than we thought.

Why not just make 4000 accounts and have distributed scraping? What are they going to do next? "Unverified Twitter accounts can only be accessed 10 times?"

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[-] lemann@lemmy.one 77 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is beyond speedrunning enshittification now...

I'm eager to see what twitter users think of this - lots of people are watching, and corpos taking notes.

Edit: He's announced an increased limit but it's hardly generous IMO.

Spoiler ImageImage of Twitter post where Elon Musk announces a rate limit increase to 8000 for verified users, 800 for unverified users, and 400 for new unverified users

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think this really will be the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people. I don't think it will immediately kill twitter but it will have a lasting effect. And if not this I am sure he will come up with an even worse policy change within the next 2 months. Something like limiting it to only 10 tweets per day for unverified users.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

Everyone in the world who uses Twitter to broadcast news to the masses now can’t. Every news org, company, and politician now has dramatically reduced incentive to post on Twitter.

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[-] Strangian@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago

Twitter and Reddit both dying at the same time was not what I expected in 2023

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[-] legion@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago

Anyone still on Twitter at this point is getting what they asked for. It's like you drove past every "last restroom for X miles" sign, and now you're in the middle of nowhere and have to piss.

[-] DieErsteNummerEins@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 11 months ago

I bet the throtteling is not caused by data scraping but by Twitter not paying their Google Cloud bills and therefore now with the new month they got services suspended.

[-] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

Why are so many people suddenly against Twatter burning? I thought we all wanted that?

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[-] Mulligan@lemmy.ca 64 points 11 months ago
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[-] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

Image Transcription: Twitter Post:


Elon Musk, @elonmusk

To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we've applied the following temporary limits

  • Verified accounts are limited to reaching 6000 posts/day
  • Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
  • New unverified accounts to 300/day

^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^

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[-] Khrounose@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago

I see that a lot of people complain about reddit, twitter, and whatever mainstream website completely fuck the consumer, but fail to realize one crucial thing. The only time change happens in mob settings is when the pain of no change is greater than the pain of change. I applaud Elon, spez, and who ever else wishes to put there services behind their paywall whether it’s an API or just simply viewing tweets. Anyone in the know knows that it’s a crock of shit and anyone who isn’t is annoyed to the point where change is preferable. The sooner people figure out posting information, entertainment, and other forms of media/knowledge to the benefit of a company is horrendous the better. Now we have the opportunity to get rid of the corporate greed and basically open-source peoples knowledge from around the globe. Although like with reddit, mob mentality poses a real threat to communities like this one, I trust that you all are normal and level headed individuals who can come to disagreements but still respect eachother (as corny as that sounds). I much prefer it over giving more information to companies who use it to profit off of my content, while I receive nothing.

*Edit: Thank you kind stranger for the reddit gold! Glad you spent real hard cash so I can have reddit premium and reddit coins! The lovely people at reddit will be spending your money sitting on a yacht eating grapes in one hand and lobster in the other. I’m sure they are real thankful too! :) *

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[-] jecxjo@midwest.social 60 points 11 months ago

Maybe it was just me but Musk has never seemed like someone who actually understood tech. Just a rich guy who buys up other's work and talks a big game. I knew the second I heard he bought Twitter it was going to crash and burn. He's doing it way faster than I thought possible.

Of course he will eventually say this was all on purposes and not that he is crap at business and tech.

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[-] gerowen@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago

He's impulsive and doesn't know when to shut up. I got the distinct impression that, initially, he was absolutely not serious about buying Twitter. It was a joke/jest. BUT, because his antics affected their stock price he actually got forced into the purchase and now he's desperately trying to figure out how to make the purchase worth what he actually paid, which is fine and all, except he seems to be leading by impulse, not by consensus or logic. He wakes up in the morning, has some random ass idea and implements it without any oversight. Even his new CEO straight up admitted that she is basically a straw man CEO who will offer no friction to anything Elon wants to do.

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[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

That man has got to legitimately be one of the stupidest motherfuckers to ever luck his ass into a pile of money.

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[-] pannacotta__@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago

Somehow I doubt it's even that. The guy's just a braindead, incompetent moron. I don't think the fucker's even smart enough to realize this is literally the worst possible decision he could've made.

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[-] bappity@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago

limiting engagement an app that RELIES ON ENGAGEMENT????? IT CAN'T POSSIBLY GET DUMBER THAN THIS???

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[-] gornar@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

Sometimes the real DDOS are the companies we buy along the way

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 47 points 11 months ago

This isn't mildly infuriating, Musk is being the biggest fedi advocate out there! He's selflessly nuking his own site so he can drive traffic to decentralized alternatives. This is a good thing lol, and should be an important lesson on link rot, and that social media should never be the primary method of communication.

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[-] prashanthvsdvn@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

What did he even think the purpose of APIs were. Data scraping puts unnecessary load on servers only to scrape out majority of the content. It’s funny how he shoots himself in the leg and now complain.

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[-] boilingpenguin@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Brilliant move to help sell more ads on the platform: limit how many people will even be able to see those ads

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago

Twitter was an important unifying communications tool during the Arab Spring. The Arab spring was a threat to biz as usual in places like Saudi Arabia. The second largest investor in Twitter is Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia killed and dismembered a journalist from the US, more or less in plain sight. Elon is now killing and dismembering Twitter in plain sight to limit its power as a unifying tool that stands as a demonstrable, active threat to capitalism and oligarchs around the world.

Billionaires do favors for other billionaires. It's part of why spez is trying to tank Reddit. Remember how dangerous Reddit was to capitalism's status quo around the time of GME/Robinhood/Antiwork recently.

The specific moment we're in right now is meant to shatter consolidated organizing power on Reddit as we splinter into several smaller alternative platforms (or for some, disconnect entirely). Not saying we shouldn't be in Lemmy, but calling out the larger reality of the moment.

Billionaires do favors for other billionaires.

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