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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 179 points 9 months ago (3 children)

How to say you're vulnerable to code injection without saying you're vulnerable to code injection.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

Are they vulnerable though, if they already exclude it at the user input?

I yet have to learn SQL and is there a way to allow passwords with '); DROP TABLE... without being vulnerable to an injection?

nevermind i googled it, and there various ways to do so

[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This still smells though. Why is the raw, plain text password string getting anywhere near database queries in the first place?

[–] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

I doubt it is. they probably have a WAF that blocks these strings though and didnt want to bother reconfiguring it

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Prepared statements, mostly. You define the query using variables, turn that query into a language-dependent object, assign values to those variables, then execute the statement. The values will be passed verbatim, without any parsing.

Or, since we're talking about a password, you could encode or encrypt it before inserting it into the query string. The fact that the website could be negatively affected by phrases in the cleartext password is very concerning.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

At best, it means they're storing your password instead of just a salted hash. And that's horrible.

[–] akincisor@sh.itjust.works 24 points 9 months ago

I noticed that upper case select, drop etc are not prohibited.

Poorly implemented user input filters are not a valid solution to being vulnerable to injection.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

Good old Bobby Tables

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No one in their right mind is storing plain text passwords, or letting them anywhere near the database.

You convert the password to a hash, and store that. And the hash will look nothing like the password the user typed.

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You're right. No one in their right mind would do that.

On the other hand, people not in their right mind often run things. Such as my old professional liability insurance. Which wrote the username and password in the yearly statements...

And also sent you the password through email if you forgot it...

Also you couldn't change it...

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There was a popular companion app to a game I play that’s stored passwords as MD5 hashes for years and when they got hacked they were able to decrypt everything.

Bonus point, the app was released multiple years after md5 was cracked.

Developers (including myself) cannot be trusted to implement the correct process 100% of the time. It’s happened too many times for it to be a single person issue and has transcended into a problem with software engineers

[–] acetanilide@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

😬😬 that's crazy but good to know

[–] usefulthings@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Lol. Yes, people do still build systems and store plain text passwords. I regularly get scammers sending me my throwaway passwords from crappy sites. Good thing I never reuse passwords, or email addresses.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Parameterized queries.

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[–] pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they filtered those strings to be safe, and put the notice there to answer the invertible "why won't it accept my password" queries.

It's a shitty password engine. But not necessarily uncleansed

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

If they're trying to protect themselves from code injection by rejecting certain user input like that, then they don't actually know how to protect themselves from code injection correctly and there may be serious vulnerabilities that they've missed.

(I think it's likely that, as others have said, they're using off-the-shelf software that does properly sanitize user input, and that this is just the unnecessary result of management making ridiculous demands. Even then, it's evidence of an organization that doesn't have the right approach to security.)

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[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

This is the result of some doc writer or middle manager not fully understanding what they've been told.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 58 points 9 months ago

Oh BobbyTables, you little rapscallion...

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

Little Bobby drop tables

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 52 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So they’re not hashing or salting the passwords too. Cool…

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They might be doing it in the DB query, but they’re definitely not sanitized beforehand.

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[–] Rednax@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Which makes me want to try and insert a password of a few megabytes worth of text. Should be fine, since there is no max lenght defined, right?

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 9 months ago

If there is no overwrought prohibition of something I know that at least in America that means it’s

  1. Affirmatively legal and
  2. Legislatively encouraged by the FREEE Act

So give ’em hell!

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 46 points 9 months ago

Obligatory Little Bobby Tables: https://xkcd.com/327/

And for those who feel like saying they've already seen it: https://xkcd.com/1053/

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe this is real. This isn't real, right?

[–] ABasilPlant@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

This is real - I took the screenshot myself.

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

What zero string sanitation does to a mfr

[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

We could still have some fun with ALTER TABLE

[–] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 18 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Some of the strongest and easy to remember passwords are just a few words strung together with a few numbers.

For example: Simpsons7-Purple4-Monkey1-Dishwasher8

Just remember "Simpsons Purple Monkey Dishwasher" and "7418". You're probably never going to forget that and I just tossed it into a password strength tester and it said it would take about 46 billion years to randomly guess it.

[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 9 months ago

It would take me about 5 seconds because you just told me what it is genius

[–] olmium@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Now remember these types of passwords, all different for different services. It's not a realistic expectation. Password managers are a must nowadays if you want to protect your accounts. But these types of passwords are also easier to type out.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago

My tactic is use a memorizeable passphrase as the unlock for the vault and assorted gibberish for anything in the vault

[–] SnipingNinja 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Correct horse battery staple

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Anything else and I can't remember so I'm using this.

I'm told it's very secure so I must be very secure. Right? Right?

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Yeah, a bunch of asterisks works too.

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll never understand why spaces are commonly not allowed in passwords.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago

Password strength checkers are taking an approach that's naive for this case. The actual strength depends on the size of the dictionary and the number of words you randomly choose out of it.

Bcrypt has a length limit of 72 characters, so very long passwords generated this way can be silently truncated. Developers can avoid this problem by running sha256 on the input before giving it to bcrypt, but that isn't common.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Or you could just use a password manager

[–] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago

For maximum security your password manager should have a password and you have no choice but to remember that password.

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 4 points 9 months ago

Memorising 1 password like that sure, but according to bitwarden I have 209 passwords, no way I can ever remember them all

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

If the structure of it is known it becomes much faster. Word+single digit^4 isn't all that hard.

For the vast majority of purposes, it'll be fine. And certainly as long as that particular structure isn't commonplace, it won't be easy to guess anyway. But password strength testers don't consider that - guessing "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" randomly also takes billions of years, so they can give a bit of a sense of false security.

[–] Kramt@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Eh it's still pretty hard.

If we check the numbers of English words from https://www.merriam-webster.com/help/faq-how-many-english-words and take a conservative estimate of 400 000 at the bottom of the page.

That means with the exact format of (word)(number)- 4 times has (without repeating words) 400000*9*399999*9*399998*9*399997*9 = 167957820891293697014400000 combinations. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=400000939999893999979399996*9

The fastest super computer at the moment apparently sits at 1.1 quintillion Hz. Or 1.1 billion billion.

If that computer could make 1 guess every clock cycle it would still take it over 4 years (167957820891293697014400000 / 1.1quintillion = ~52 months ) to run through all possibilities.

Now that is a very fast computer, and we haven't included the possibility of various numbers of words, different delimiter, or where and how often numbers appear. So unless you've really pissed off the US gov I don't think you have to worry about it.

There's a reason passphrases are the currently recommended way to generate secure passwords that are hard to guess but easy to memorize/type in.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

I consider this an invitation.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago

Looking at that I wouldn't be surprised if those rules are just client-side validation.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago
[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Ima just use my butthole with a biometric scanner.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago

submits Drop Table as passphrase

Grabs popcorn

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Didn't say anything about truncate!

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Anyone taking bets on them sanitising user passwords?

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