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    [–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Whenever i need to use windows, i leave it on a separate drive, and then just point a rEFInd entry to it. It really frustrates me, that Windows just expects full advocacy over your hardware, and performs changes like this without any warning

    [–] ares35@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    i've had both windows and linux mess-up dual boot setups.. so i started keeping them separate. either different systems, or run in a vm.

    [–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 9 months ago

    My issue is that when linux fucks up my bootloader it's usually by mistake / bug. If windows does it it's pretty much deliberate

    [–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 6 points 9 months ago

    VMWare workstation is well worth the £££. I work in a Windows VM that is fully compliant with all the business requirements and when I run it full screen I don't feel like it's a VM.

    I dualboot with separate efi partitions. Does it happen that windows fucks up anothr efi partition?

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Arch moment

    (no I will never forget that one time they borked the grub package and there was no notification of it in the newsfeed)

    [–] shadowintheday2@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I switched to systemd boot when that happened, and it's been so smooth ever since

    [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

    I just switched to Fedora and been happy with it for ~2 yrs

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Untill there's a bug in systemd-boot on arch...

    [–] shadowintheday2@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

    It's not exempt from happening; however, it rarely ever updates and has less complexity/functionality than grub, which makes it less prone to error happening (be it from the developers, or from the user like me trying to theme it :))

    [–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 24 points 9 months ago

    Seems familiar. Did you by any chance also not update the copy of grub in your EFI system partition since you installed it? Then you need to do that and afterwards everything works fine again.

    While you are at it add a netboot.xyz EFI entry to fix that kind of stuff without a USB stick or your own network boot server.

    [–] Johanno@feddit.de 20 points 9 months ago
    [–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)
    grub> set root=(...)
    grub> linux /vmlinuz root=...
    grub> initrd /initrd.img
    grub> boot
    
    [–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

    Now draw the rest of the owl.

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)
    [–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Windows has a habit of deleting grub when it updates. Idk if it is just bad Microsoft programming or intentional.

    [–] stanka@lemmy.ml 55 points 9 months ago (1 children)
    [–] ares35@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago

    windows ain't done until nothing else runs.

    [–] JoShmoe@ani.social 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    You mean I can’t have a separate partition without microsoft thinking they own everything?

    [–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah pretty much. When I dual booted I just had 2 drives and used the bios boot select

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I used to do that but windows still managed to break grub somehow

    [–] BloodSlut@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
    [–] rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 months ago

    What irritates me the most is they don't even bother to ask what to do with the bootloader when installing Windows, or at least the option is hidden behind some guru magic not supported by the installer GUI. Leave an old windows boot drive plugged in while doing a fresh install on another drive, and the installer happily uses the bootloader on the old drive without ever even mentioning it. Since it is so easy to make this mistake you'd think Microsoft offered a tool to move the bootloader to a different drive, but nope.

    [–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

    This post made by the windows gang

    [–] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 5 points 9 months ago

    Time to break out the system rescue USB

    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 5 points 9 months ago

    Btw, rEFInd detects bootloaders by itself.

    [–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 9 months ago

    What I'm missing? Just do update-grub.

    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Am i the only one using elilo?

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I thought it had been abandoned since 2003, but not at all!
    It's been abandoned since 2013.

    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Ah so its only been 10 years. Perfect. Probably why nothings broken?

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    A lot of things may have changed in ten years though. It's good that nothing broke, but it's not very reassuring.

    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

    No its not ideal.

    [–] backhdlp@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)
    [–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

    Am i missing anything?

    [–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

    Honestly, when I learned that rEFInd supports loading dxe modules natively I swapped and never looked back (NVMe boot drives on ancient computers, my beloved)