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[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 141 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Bad writing for film and television really irks me because of how avoidable it is. I'm not talking about mediocre or lackluster writing, but the actual bad writing.

TV shows and movies are tremendously expensive to make. Every part of it costs a fortune except for one: the writing. Even if a studio or production company was paying for a whole team of writers to work full time it's still only a fraction of the cost of paying film crews, actors, editors, and VFX artists.

Given the relatively lower expense, relative lack of time constraints, and enormous importance of the script to the overall quality of the product it absolutely boggles my mind that production companies consistently fuck up the writing process.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 55 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's like reading a news article and seeing horribly constructed sentences and typos. Like, this is your main job! I know there are a lot of English majors out there who would love to find work.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 30 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Dropped subplots is like reading a news article with sentences that are

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[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

I've been building a list called "The Micro or Low Budget Sci-fi" https://letterboxd.com/mattcoady/list/the-micro-or-low-budget-sci-fi/

Basically movies that cost almost nothing to make and use great writing to build up the world. Our minds are really good and fleshing out the rest as long as their given good writing as a foundation. Productions could save a lot of money with good writing. It blows my mind you could sink $200 million dollars into a project and not have an absolutely flawless script.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 10 months ago

Hey, thanks for sharing!

It's completely beyond me why scripts get rushed out the door before they're at the very least solid. Sure, a production company might make their money just a little bit sooner but they run a massive risk of losing all of their money making a movie that completely bombs.

It's impossible for every script to be a masterwork, but holy crap it seems like an audience wanting a competent script is too much to ask. It's not like there's a shortage of aspiring writers that can take a crack at a script until it's at least passable.

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's crazy cause if you hear writers in tv talk about it, they'll get contracted like a month or two before they have to finish the first batch of scripts. Writing in Hollywood is as much about learning quick writing shortcuts/tropes to move the plot along to get the product out on time as it is being able to develop a plot.

[–] Anyolduser@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's what sticks in my craw. If I'm a studio exec who's going to invest potentially hundreds of millions of dollars it's beyond stupid to jeopardize that to get a payout a little faster.

It just seems stupid to put a time crunch on the most important phase of your investment. I don't see how taking a greater risk of a project being a flop is worth getting the script a few weeks sooner.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

My pet theory is that this is because of the assembly line way of thinking of studios. Script -> Casting -> Shooting -> VFX -> Editing -> Profit.

It takes time to develop a good idea and script. If you force a writer to adhere to a strict schedule you'll get a rush job and bad writing. As long as money keeps flowing in, their assembly line theory is validated.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

i wouldn’t be surprised if a big part of it is that the higher ups don’t know much about what good writing actually is, or they’re too focused on ratings and they don’t dare deviate from “what works”. it also wouldn’t surprise me if writers weren’t allowed to make “major” changes to scripts after seeing how the writing looks after scenes have been recorded, because it might be “too expensive to change”.

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[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 112 points 10 months ago (3 children)

"Somehow, Palpatine return." -Poe-

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 61 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Palpatine coming back wasn't even an interesting premise though.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

and that fucker got his lightening reversed on him AGAIN!

Stop using that spell you stupid fuck it always gets turned on you.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If I had a nickel for every time Palps got his lightning reversed...

I could afford to hire better writers than what we got.

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[–] FatTony@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

It really did fail on all ends.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The look on Oscar Isaac's face as he delivers that line is something else.

It's the face of a man who has been back and forth with the scriptwriter and director all day, and is resigned to the fact that this is the best they can come up with.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it makes sense for poe to say, how would he know how palpy came back?

the problem was the movie didnt really expand on that in any capacity

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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 69 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I'm still salty about League of Extraordinary Gentleman. Literary Avengers is such an awesome concept, but what we got was so fucking bad Connery walked away from acting forever.

But it did give us one of the most beautiful movie cars ever which, you know, is nice.

[–] NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Read the comic. It does so much better with the concept. Goddammit, can we get at least one good Alan Moore adaptation?! Look at the mans run of Swamp Thing! It'd do well as an animated movie, at the very least!

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago (6 children)

TV show with really interesting premise that is well written, well acted, with great sets:

Streaming service cancels it after the first season and doesn't renew it.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 52 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Me when they say the name of the movie in the movie:

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago

Superman: The only way for me to solve this crisis is to be Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

Peter: Oh, that's why they called it that.

[–] page@discuss.online 14 points 10 months ago

"Ah boy, I'm just so tired of all these star wars."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWxiTPQv0ME

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"And the world will always remember the Backdoor Sluts 7: Anal Apocalypse."

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[–] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I like shows like Andor which have a mildly interesting premise but rely on phenomenal writing and execution to really shine.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why do Star Wars fans always forget the / in And/or?

[–] neo@feddit.de 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You get my upvote, but it's an angry Andor unwillingly one.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 42 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Foundation. Such awesome design, great acting... but such awful writing.

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[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Somehow Palpatine returned

[–] leo@lemmy.l0l.city 49 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Alternate ending:

A small, innocuous looking bat takes the form of DRACULA behind CHARACTER 1 and CHARACTER 2

DRACULA: Why the fuck would I need a jetpack? How did you morons forget about the bat thing? It's been part of my image for like, a hundred years.

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (6 children)

This first Suicide Squad was hot garbage, the second was awesome.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Will Smith's compulsive need to never be the bad guy didn't help.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 60 points 10 months ago (4 children)

He did make an exception at the Oscars.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 26 points 10 months ago

I'm willing to bet that his battered husband brain thought it was being gallant by defending the honor of his abuser.

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[–] theedqueen@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This was Once Upon A Time on ABC. Could’ve been a really good show, but it was basically fanfiction written by a middle schooler.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

How many times can you use amnesia in a show with seven seasons? How many times can you reveal that Character A is secretly related to Character B? How many times can someone get killed but then miraculously get better? How many times can you introduce absolutely world-breaking plot devices, only to forget about them immediately?

The answer for all of the above, for Once Upon a Time, is THERE'S NO FUCKING UPPER LIMIT.

It did have this absolutely fantastic exchange though...

Grumpy: We're all going to go hang out with Happy.

Snow White: Didn't he get turned into a tree?

Grumpy: Yeah, but we fixed that months ago! We do things when you're not around!

...for which I'll almost forgive all the rest.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

'Fables' was a comic book that was the first to use the idea of characters from fairy tales living in the modern era. When people realized that everything was already public domaine we got two shows, neither as good as the comic.

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Witcher :(

And I'm not talking about the casting or other stuff. Just the general writing and conversion from books to screen sucked ass

[–] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 28 points 10 months ago

From what I've heard it would have been multitudes worse if Cavill wasn't so passionate about the source, too.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I never read the books or played the games. So when I watched it I thought it was kinda janky because they were trying a little to hard trying to stay true to the books.

Then I later found out it wasn't true to the books. Sure sometimes you need to change things to make a story work better for a new medium. But why is it so jank then?

If they made changes but it worked really well as a TV show because of those changes I can understand. And if the show is janky because they tried to stay too close to the books, I can understand. But they made a janky show that's not true to the books. I don't understand!

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[–] YaksDC@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

The Dark Tower movie adaptation, I am a huge fan of the books and I was so looking forward to a 3 movie arc. Turned out 🤮

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Recently this was Hazbin Hotel for me. Thought I would give it a shot but it's written like a kid's show instead of an edgy adult comedy about demons.

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[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 10 months ago

They have to have bad writing because otherwise it will be canceled 2 seasons in to a 3 season story arc

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Spelling error in a meme poking fun at bad writing. Hilarious.

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[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The movie "In Time" and the movie "Upside Down (2012)" are both great examples

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago (7 children)

That leaves for an interesting question: why is most writing these days so god awful? There are great writers out there. Hollywood isn't stupid (is it?) and wants money. Why do they put shit writers on so many projects that then flop like the shit that it is?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 months ago

Hollywood is stupid and they didn't want to pay writers after the first draft is written. It may not be so much the writer is shit (they came up with some good ideas after all) it's that they don't have time to make additional drafts to fix plotholes, improve the dialog, etc.

Writing isn't just banging out something on a typewriter and it's pure genius the moment is written. It's a process that usually involves multiple drafts.

You gotta admit a lot of things feel like a first draft, and it's probably because it is. Hopefully these issues were sorted out with the writer's strike.

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