After a while of thinking and reviewing, I have come to the conclusion to defederate as requested. If they correct course, I'll happily re-review them.
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Lmao, their rules:
- Be respectful. Everyone should feel welcome here.
- No threats or personal insults
- No discrimination
and yet almost every single comment I read is calling everyone pussies, toxic, and racist words.
Whats the point in having those rules when literally NO ONE is following or enforcing them? Damn.
Nazis aren't welcome here, best they learn that now rather than through a long process of being told by everyone else here to fuck off.
Telling Nazis to fuck off rarely leads to them actually fucking off, because they're Nazis.
then we will scrape them off our shoe as we always do with dog shit
If enough of the community makes it sufficiently clear that we're not going to let them peddle their Nazi bullshit unopposed, including by taking whatever moderator actions are possible to get rid of them, most of the Nazis will go somewhere else and we'll only have to deal with the typical number of Nazis for an internet platform rather than become inundated with them. Making them unwelcome by any means necessary is the name of the game.
What's your definition of a Nazi? A member of a national socialist party? I want to understand what is being banned before it's banned.
My criteria for what makes "a Nazi" are something like this.
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A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept, that reproducing outside one's race is inherently wrong, and that some races are inherently superior to others; most often the superior groups are "white", while the "inferior" groups include Africans, Jews and travelling people
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Reverence for cultural "tradition", real or imagined, with any departure from these traditions classified as "degenerate" and dangerous to society. For example, a belief that avant-garde art is immoral and without value because it doesn't root itself in what are popularly perceived to be the artistic traditions of "the west", a neat line from Greek marble statues to Wagner.
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Hatred of diversity, seeing it as a plague that rots a society. For example, the belief that women are unfit to hold a social position outside of motherhood, that non-heterosexual sexualities are "degenerate", that allowing people from another race to exist in your race's society inevitably leads to that society's destruction, that gender as a concept is a "mental illness" because only two biological sexes exist and each biological sex has a set-in-stone role demanding a certain presentation and certain values, that societies which follow one religion must not allow followers of another religion to exist within it.
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Heavy use of absolutism. Everything is either wholly good or wholly bad. Nothing can be a mix of good and bad, or neutral. And everything is a matter of utmost urgency. Anything that is "bad" is an existential threat to all that is "good" and must be immediately and utterly annihilated.
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An authoritarian outlook. Anything opposed by a Nazi must be forbidden by the full force of the law. There is no space for differences of opinion, or a nuanced debate, or reviewing the facts. If they oppose something, whether it's big or small - the use of marijuana, reformative justice programs, abortion, media with female protagonists - it must be banned under pain of death.
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Violence. To a Nazi, the use of violence isn't an escalation, but the norm. They have no qualms about beating people to death simply for espousing an opposing view, or even just for existing if some aspect of their existence offends their beliefs. Likewise, their rhetoric often alludes to the indiscriminate or nonchalant, even gleeful use of deadly force - "physical removal", "showers", etc.
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Shameless hypocrisy. The people who say "facts not feelings" as a rebuttal are often the same people whose beliefs are motivated almost entirely by feelings, and will happily mock others for trying to use evidence in their arguments instead of simply saying "it's common sense". They will shame someone for being rude and aggressive while also calling them the N word and telling them that on "the day of the rope", they'll be among the dead.
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Veneration of strong leaders and mocking of "weakness". Consensus-builders are seen as spineless "cucks", while people who enforce their every arbitrary whim with total force are held up as "based" exemplars of good leadership and models to be emulated. People who are comfortably being themselves in ways that aren't conventionally masculine are addressed with slurs and told to kill themselves while ignorant, bullying asshats are applauded for "rustling jimmies".
You can meet all of these criteria without being a member of a National-Socialist party, or even identifying as a Nazi, but if you do meet most or all of them, your ideology can be pretty confidently described as Nazi-like.
By the way, cheers to you for actually answering the question. I've seen "BAN NAZIS" before, but I haven't really understood what the requestors are looking to ban, and when questioned they seem to disappear quickly.
Looks like this is really a right wing/fake/hate news instance. No love is lost defederating them.
So: Yes, please!
Vote: Yes
Bigotry should be banned, and removed from this instance. That means not allowing bigotry on our instance. That means defederating from less clever wannabe 4chans, and less moderated The_D replacements.
They can enjoy their shithole federation.
Honestly 4chan is much better than some of these instances.
I don't love this idea, would really prefer instead the ability to block the instance in the same way I do communities/magazines and see a petition for them to be auto-blocked which I could then remove if I wanted.
Really don't like the idea of defederation unless there's like active crime going on there.
Part of the reason we left reddit is because they felt entitled to impose draconian conditions on moderators. Defederating is a useful moderation tool until the Threadiverse develops better ones.
If someone is willing to ignore the social norm of wider society's "Don't say the n-word" why would they respect the social rules of a small community?
Same, for me canceling culture and defederating left and right is not the right way to go.
Have you even looked that some of the posts in their homepage Ffs? Defederation should be a thing when the whole instance is a piece of shit. Which it is in this case...
I am trying to examen the instance, it would have been helpful to have some pointers to speed up the process although it somehow sounds like a familiar domain. It sounds like such content at least was against their rules. but that of course does not have to mean much.
Looking at the comments from their team is no good impression to say the least hmm
Update: found some more potential evidence that they are not welcoming nazis, but i think there are quite a few misinformation and "the usual" shitpost things on there that are not very ... enjoyable (and of course as the op implies, transphobic trash and such as to expect from a shitpost instance).
There is the Lemmy.world Admin Response to Defederation from Exploding Heads with some pointers.
thanks
Ho this explain why I can't answer anymore. I was debating a shitty opinion.
Yes, defederate these chuds. Keep them isolated! Don't let them make this space into a Nazi bar.
I am against defederations being decided by instance admins. Lemmy needs (kbin being more mature project at least has domain blocking) tools to let users decide themselves what they want or don't want to see. Are you an adult or you need others to decide for you? I have blocked lemmygrad and other tankie/nazi (same shit) instances (domains) myself. If I don't want to see eg. transgender stuff then I don't cry about it but just block it. Grow a pair and do the same.