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In the greatest rebuke yet to Pope Francis, the Catholic bishops of Africa and Madagascar issued a unified statement Thursday refusing to follow his declaration allowing priests to offer blessings to same-sex couples and asserting that such unions are “contrary to the will of God.”

The statement, signed by Congolese Cardinal Fridolin Ambongo on behalf of the symposium of African national bishops conferences, marked the closest thing to a continent-wide dissent from the declaration Francis approved Dec. 18 allowing priests to offer such blessings.

That declaration from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has sent shock waves through the Catholic Church, thrilling LGBTQ+ Catholics as a concrete sign of Francis’ message of welcome but alarming conservatives who fear core doctrines of the church are being ignored or violated.

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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This will be interesting! A new break away Pope?

[–] teft@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They’re called antipopes. The last one was in the 15th century.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What happens if a Pope and Antipope collide?

[–] teft@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

When popes and antipopes collide, the popes destroy each other, with a huge energy release. Depending on the colliding popes, not only is there a great energy release, but new, different popes may also be produced (such as neutrinopes and various flavours of quarkpopes – see figure below). These new popes will have a lower mass than those in the original collision, due to the law of conservation of ecclesiastical energy and Einstein’s very famous equation E=mc2 – some of the energy goes into heat and light, some into forming the new popes.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What happens to the pope hats, are they conserved

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes, conservation of funny hats is pretty much a universal phenomenon

[–] teft@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

We actually can't tell if the funny hats are conserved. We call this the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

This guy Heisenberg came up with it:

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In my experience funny hats can be created out of non-funny hats pretty easily. I don't think that conservation law holds.

[–] twack@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

That is because all non-funny hats are also funny hats at the same time. It is only at the moment of observation that a hat decides whether it is funny or not funny.

We refer to this phenomenon as Schrödinger's hat.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ah but the total funniness of the hats is still conserved; you may be creating a funny hat from non-funny hats, but the total funniness is the same as the sum of the earlier hats.

[–] dylanmorgan 2 points 10 months ago

I think you forgot to post the figure you referred to.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 2 points 9 months ago

neutrinopes

Pope number is conserved confirmed.

[–] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Call me a traditionalist, but I much prefer the antichrist.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Oh that's just brilliant! A New Pope - I am so wishing that I'd thought of that.

[–] aew360@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Actual religion

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago

Defying the choice of God seems like a bold choice. Almost like there are no actual rules or punishments. Weird.

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What are they gonna do about it? It's not like they can write down their grievances on a piece of paper and nail it to a cathedral door.

[–] hottari@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

You are responding to exactly what they are doing about the situation!

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The same God's Will was used to justify black slavery. It sure is a versatile tool.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 5 points 9 months ago

It never could have lasted millenia if it wasn't.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Looks like someone is trying to tell God what to do.

[–] N0body@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

Time to add "a new schism in the Catholic Church" to the end of days bingo card.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 10 points 10 months ago

You know what else would be contrary to the will of a loving God if one existed?

Being the main driver of the African AIDS epidemic that's claimed tens if not hundreds of millions of lives.

Fuck the catholic church and ESPECIALLY fuck THESE catholic church monsters! 🖕🖕🖕

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

Now ex-communicate them.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Here comes another schism!

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

African Orthodox now!

[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The Catholic Church thought they could pour their brand of religion into the entire continent for hundreds of years, gaining loyal support and broadening their power. Looks like they just found out they exported the bigotry, but couldn't force loyalty when they change the message.

This is the danger we keep seeing when people use a religion as a power vehicle, and wrap it in "fear of the other". Doesn't matter if it's Catholicism or something else. We'll continue to repeat history over and over because clearly it'll work THIS time and that leader will be able to control it.

[–] dylanmorgan 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The new Protestant reformation?

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 4 points 9 months ago

This time, nailed to someone's door:

"95 reasons why u r gae"

[–] DonkeyShot@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Well, the catholic church is basically a faschist organization by it's organigram. Obey to the leader you fucks or go to hell (literally).

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


VATICAN CITY (AP) — In the greatest rebuke yet to Pope Francis, the Catholic bishops of Africa and Madagascar issued a unified statement Thursday refusing to follow his declaration allowing priests to offer blessings to same-sex couples and asserting that such unions are “contrary to the will of God.”

The statement, signed by Congolese Cardinal Fridolin Ambongo on behalf of the symposium of African national bishops conferences, marked the closest thing to a continent-wide dissent from the declaration Francis approved Dec. 18 allowing priests to offer such blessings.

“Within the church family of God in Africa, this declaration has caused a shockwave, it has sown misconceptions and unrest in the minds of many lay faithful, consecrated persons and even pastors, and has aroused strong reactions,” he wrote.

A few weeks ago, Burundi’s President Evariste Ndayishimiye said “people of the same sex who marry in this country should be taken to a stadium to be pelted with stones, once discovered.” In a radio broadcast Dec. 29, he asked Burundians living abroad who practice homosexuality “not to return home.”

Ambongo said the symposium statement was a “consolidated summary” of the positions adopted by individual national bishops conferences, and said it had received the “agreement” of Francis and the doctrine office’s new prefect, Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernández.

No such extra documentation or preparation accompanied Fiducia Supplicans, as the text is known, and its rollout was marked by individual bishops and entire national conferences voicing confusion and opposition.


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