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[–] N0_Varak@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

So if I don't have an internet connection, I can't even boot my computer?

Big "you'll own nothing and be happy" energy.

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[–] TXinTXe@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I hope that gaming on linux then is as seamless as it is on windows today. Because the rest of the things that I do with my PC are already equal, but gaming is the big reason I still use windows.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 13 points 1 year ago

Steam has that on lock right now. No, it's not perfect, but for most games it's pretty much seamless.

There are some cases where Windows is better - mod management tools are better on Windows, for instance. Anything you have outside of Steam might need another app like Lutris (or Heroic, which is great for GOG btw). And that's not mentioning malware under the guise of "anti-cheat".

[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Gaming Linux has been seamless for 2-3 years now. I stopped checking Linux compayibility scores around 2021 because I expect everything to work now.

[–] iliketurtles@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I've been trying out linux gaming annually. With the steam deck out it proton has become super good. I think my gaming pc is finally going to stay on linux this time around.

[–] chocolatine@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't know what games you are playing, but I game myself quite heavily and doing it exclusively on Linux. Steam proton has changed a lot of things for Linux gaming. Only issues are with anti cheat. So if you are playing single player you are good to go. Multiplayer can be difficult, it depends on the game. I have 200 hours on Apex in Linux.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I switched back to windows for gaming because NVidia drivers are terrible and I had so many issues with many game that no amount of googling and debugging could fix. Linux also doesn't have HDR support yet (it's in the work though)

I really prefer Linux, but I had so many non trivial issues. I know this isn't the same experience for everyone, but considering I do gaming 95% of the time on my personal PC, I got fed up of hitting a wall for the games I wanted to play.

I will buy an AMD gpu when I will switch so that hopefully the open sourced drivers will fix my issues.

I still daily drive linux for work though.

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[–] taj@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, anti-cheat/multiplayer is the biggest hurdle to go for linux gaming, as well as VR. They're the two things that continue to hold my kids in Windows, for now. I hope that someday they're remedied and I can move them into Linux systems for gaming, but for now, it's just not realistic, sadly.

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[–] wagesof@links.wageoffsite.com 14 points 1 year ago

2023, the year that big tech shot it self in the face, continues.

[–] artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Microsoft wants to move me fully to the Linux

[–] ShoePaste@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

man, this might be thing that finally makes me switch to Linux. what an incredibly stupid, shitty, and greedy decision.

[–] Thulcander@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Windows 10 not allowing you to postpone updates when it launched pissed me off enough to switch to linux for around 4 years. I came back for games, but the GPU market (and age) has pushed me back to consoles or just not gaming.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Check again Linux gaming, Proton/Wine is surprisingly viable now and the vast majority of games run without any issue.

[–] hermitian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

And if you want to know, if a game works, check protondb.com . It's for proton, so steam, and includes a steam deck section. And many games, that don't have a native linux version, come with great tips on how to make them run, if a game does not run with proton out of the box. Most just need a different proton version, which is three clicks to change in steam.

[–] Thulcander@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've heard Linux gaming is pretty good now with a native steam client and a ton of games that run natively thanks to steamOS

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[–] H3L1X@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Do it! Linux is great, and not nearly as hard as its reputation suggests.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago
[–] Boozilla@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I already have to jump through a bunch of hoops to make Win 10/11 tolerable for personal use and preferences Things like ShutUp10 and dozens of manual tweaks, registry settings, policy changes, etc. The cloud version will probably constantly roll all of that back on me.

I really hate this silicon valley mindset that everyone has reliable broadband and worse, they know what the user wants/needs better than the user does.

Enshitificstion is ruthless.

[–] Skooshjones@vlemmy.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Boozilla@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I like Linux a lot, I just have never mastered it. I plan on learning it better when I retire.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bet itll suddenly become subscription based too

[–] fireshaper@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course, how else will they pay for storage of your data? This part already started with OneDrive. Now you'll buy a new laptop for $100, the thinnest laptop you've ever seen, it will just come with a 128GB m.1 drive soldered to the board, and you'll run (and save) everything from Microsoft's servers.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That’s exactly the argument they and their bootlickers will use too. “we need it to run infrastructure!!!” they wouldnt have to run infrastructure if they didnt gut features from their products. Like the whole Toyota remote start subscription crap. “They need the subscription to run the servers so you can start your car from anywhere” but you can no longer use classic radio remote start which doesn’t require servers

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[–] simple@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The writing was on the wall considering how much they're trying to push Bing into Windows 11. They want everything to be online and connected to their services, and it sucks.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 year ago

Well, that should be interesting for businesses. I wonder how things will play out with HIPPA, GPDR, and such.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Redmond locking out consumers with shitty/metered Internet connections? What a wonderful idea.

Asking people to move to a subscription model will also be appreciated, I'm sure.

[–] BurningnnTree@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't get it, what's the benefit of this? Why would your average joe want to use a cloud instance instead of running Windows locally? How does Microsoft benefit from this?

[–] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

Subscription service, infinite income without requiring innovation!

[–] waspentalive@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

Microsoft gets to sell the sizzle, not the steak. They also have all your data since the OS is running on their computer, not yours. I guess this will make Windows a web app, working like NextCloud only on their machines.

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[–] DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow great More always online drm in windows

[–] Questy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Recently I moved to a Fedora distro called Nobara for my gaming rig. Microsoft has been working hard to force me out for years. When I have to make custom installers, and run scripts to control updates and telemetry, you're not being a very inviting OS.

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I knew they were planning on removing all local control at some point. By the end of this users will propably have to call ms support/something equivalent to that, to do anything that requires admin rights. I guess I should be thankful to microsoft for steeling my resolve to not use any windows beyond 10.

[–] mkeee2015@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is the "cloud" sustainable and scalable, in terms of energy and environmental demands?

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

No, no -- they want to get you to pay for your hardware, mandatory, big network transfers, and cloud resources. None of which are exactly powered by unicorn farts.

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[–] mcneb10@mstdn.social 5 points 1 year ago

@dvdnet90 I’m leaving windows as soon as support is dropped for windows 10

[–] Flying_Lynx@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I know I'm one of the few, but what I like about a PC is the Computing part, but also the Personal part. I can use this apparatus to automate some calculations in my own free time and display it however I want. Sure things can be outsourced. Sure I can use a cloud computer. But that's no fun for me.

I had notebooks where I turned off WiFi and all its services, I had a desktop PC where the network card fried. Those were the most stable and fastest Windows installations I ever had. Running for years on end without ever needing a reboot.

Windows Terminal-mode, it sure may have its place. But not for me.

[–] average650@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What consumer is asking for this?

[–] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No consumer wants this. Microsoft wants this.

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I'm glad Linux gaming is getting better so I can make the switch if I have too. That being said I find Windows copilot intriguing. An AI assistant built into the operating system could be very useful. It's good to have options.

[–] pfc@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I assume it is not a full transition to cloud, instead they are adding 'Cloud Computing to Windows' and integrating with system.

[–] ggnoredo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I only use windows if i have to in my workplace and it always sucks. It's the only thing on my workflow that slows me down or drives me crazy

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I could understand this approach for big enterprises, to avoid the hassle of managing thousands of employees PCs, I don't understand it for home use.

I mean, people who want a PC at home, want it for the multi-purpose capabilities and power in gaming, not to mention full control over it.

Those who only use the PC for email, browsing the internet and watching videos, are better served with a tablet, they're so powerful nowadays that you don't really need a PC for those simple tasks, students would be better off with chromebooks, they're even cheaper, a few types of jobs, like professional graphics for example, are better done with a MAC, and probably other things I'm forgetting right now.

I fully switched to Linux years ago, but if I were still using Windows, I know for sure I'd be furious if my computer stopped working only because the internet went down or MS servers had some downtime.

I'd love to know what they know that I don't to be so sure this won't blow up in their faces.

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