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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 74 points 10 months ago (23 children)

I almost wish everyone hadn't defederated from hexbear so that we had more stories of the mental gymnastics justifying continues support of Putin after he banned being gay.

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Lemm.ee still has hexbear. The toxicity is the same as it ever was, going strong

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

lemm.ee has hexbear, and I can feel the admin writhing while he allows them to persist - even after they banned me entire for "capitalist apologia", "Genocide denial" and "Pro-zionist Lib , Get f*cked Ben Hazir !!!" - all of which would classify as the crime of defamation.

But, at the same time, I wouldn't have those bullshit definitions if I didn't face them head on and call them out for their bullshit, using open modlogs where they themselves can't hide.

[–] hakase@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Yup, Lemm.ee's aversion to defederating in general is why it's my main account.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Whatabout the US??? Critical support for Putin's Ukrainian genocide!"

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Don't call it genocide! He just wants Russian #landback"

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Turns out tankies are actually just as pro-genocide of indigenous people as the far-right are, so long as it's Russia or China doing it.

Which is, of course, doubly insane considering that Russia isn't even run by the Russian Communist Party anymore.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Enemy of my enemy logic, basically. There are people who have such a disdain for the west that they will lionize any political figures who also hate the west, no matter how contradictory their stated ideals are.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Funny thing is they still live in the west. At least stand by your opinion and move to fucking Russia. I think they're especially welcoming of males in their 20s (only if you're born a male and live as a male, sorry, their "tolerance" doesn't run that far).

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago

Many people emigrated or defected to communist Russia. Most of them later regret it 😂. It was especially the case during the purge in 1930s, when American emigres flooded the American embassy in Moscow, demanding their passports back. British spy for Soviet Union, Kim Philby, was exiled to Soviet Union, and he regretted it as his extravagant lifestyle that he grew accustomed to in the West could not easily be had in USSR because of lack of consumer goods.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

It's worse than that. They're totally amoral. They can't see beyond their stupid idea of the way they think the world should be. They're pro-genocide when it benefits their ideology. I haven't heard much cheering on of Israel from Tankies right now, but if Putin or Xi suddenly allied with them? They'd be begging the Israelis to bulldoze more Palestinian homes with people inside of them.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 7 points 10 months ago

I don’t think there is anything critical about their support.

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[–] tjsauce@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just cause the USSR wasn't as bad as the US claimed doesn't mean it was as good as the USSR claimed. Praising Stalin implies that the good he did outweighs his death toll

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

But see, USA bad so USSR good.

[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I read this as demonetization and was thoroughly confused.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Shouldn't have added microstransations to communism.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Did he even write theory? I mean, Lenin and Trotsky did but did Stalin?

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 31 points 10 months ago

Stalin did some writing, but depending on which tankie you ask, it's either REVOLUTIONARY AND ASTOUNDING WORK THAT IS UNFAIRLY OVERLOOKED, or just verbose rehashing of Lenin with an (extra) dash of authoritarianism.

[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I believe his contribution was the idea that a dictatorship of the prolitariate is untenable, and that the state needs a single leader in order to achieve Marxism.

[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Sounds like tankies will love it and Marx would have hated it

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[–] Jonna@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He did. It contradicts basic tenants of Marxism, but he did write theory.

Edit: tenets. That's embarrassing. Thanks.

[–] BrerChicken@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

*tenets

Unless you mean someone was paying rent.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Stalin did a lot. But most of all he did killing of innocent people.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

The tankies problem is not that he's misunderstood....it is that he's understood

[–] CurlyWurlies4All 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

This is beside the point but also fuck Trotsky. Trotsky’s basic idea consisted of applying military methods in the economic field and of turning the entire population of Russia into a vast army of labour, destroying the trade unions and forcing the workforce into jobs they could not leave without the permission of high authorities. Any shirking of duty or unauthorized absence from work was to be punished on the same basis as desertion from the army. Fuck that guy.

But also fuck capitalism. It's horrific.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that so many people can't see that there are any shades of grey between Trotskyist communism and free market capitalism. Like it has to be one absolute or the other. Such bizarre black-and-white thinking.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hell yeah. Democratic Confederalism, Proudohnism, Council Communism... there are so many potential systems of anti-authoritarian socialism that have failed to flourish due to circumstance or conspiracy that could make life so much better for so many people.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could consider that one of the effects of the capitalist west's active intervention to prevent any form of socialism and communism during the last... can just say century at this point but especially post-WW2 by sponsoring fascist intervention, is that it applied a selection criteria on which forms of these states could actually survive.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Sovs spent almost as much time crushing non-ML left movements as the West did. Non-ML systems have had it from both sides.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

There is no misunderstanding giving Lavrentiy Beria power.

[–] butter@midwest.social 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It bugs me that this is using Futurama people. I don't believe any of them have ever said the word demonization.

Or would have a strong opinion on Stalin, being so far in the Future.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Or would have a strong opinion on Stalin

We're 2000 years from Caligula. I think we can still agree that he was a lunatic whose contributions don't outweigh the monstrous things he did.

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