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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Seems like a good way to also incentivizes the reduction of plastics usage, which would be even better.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sure, but let's incentive companies to do that, not individuals.

I recycle all my plastics at home. The grocery store I work in recycles no plastic at all.

Time for the companies to start doing their fair share.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

FTA:

Government documents say the reporting requirements likely would apply to plastic producers, not consumers.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's the requirement to report the production of plastic products by plastics manufacturers, not a requirement for companies to recycle.

It does say retailers (why is it limited only to retail companies?) will be incentivized to recycle. But it doesn't say there any requirement to do so.

Also this article is typical in that it only gives the highest level overview of what the concept is, and doesn't provide any details on how companies would be held accountable.

It also doesn't mention whether there are or will be any exceptions made to these rules for the big companies. Billionaire business owners love lobbying for exceptions, and politicians love giving them out, because they can point to the regulations the made and tell citizens what a great job they're doing while still pleasing their ~~masters~~ donors.

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What would you do differently from what was talked about in the article?

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

It's pretty light on details, but the idea sounds good. It remains to be seen whether the implementation is as effective.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

I'd also appreciate some pfand like inclusion where retailers are required to accept deposits on anything they sell.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

salvage waste plastic and reimburse Canadians and retailers for dropping off scraps.

And then what? Pile it up? Throw it in the ocean? Put it on a rocket and throw it in the sun? There is no economically viable use for waste plastic, DuPont came up with the idea of recycling it so that people wouldn't feel bad about throwing it away (and would buy more). The ONLY way to reduce plastic waste is to reduce plastic production.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I agree that reduced reliance on plastic, and production reduction of, is the best plastic plan, but until that happens we can still do the non perfect solution. While recycling plastic does have costs it shows that it is not 100% the cost of virgin plastics. I believe average was 70% energy. So there is still a benefit to the climate. Chemical and Bacterial recycling of plastics is also being researched. Plastic bottles are easily recyclable, but you can only put about %20 old material in with virgin pellets to get another acceptible bottle out. so it take 4-5 new bottles made to fully consume an old one. So it becomea a pyramid scheme we can't escape. People really need to stop buying water in a bottle. There are better options for plastics like the online list of what other products we can make from old plastics, like new home building products, new road pylons, etc...something that needed to be made anyway. But what a lot of people don't realize is a lot of reclaimed plastic is made into fuel pellets, and used in place of coal or oil for power generarion...all those hydrocarbons are a replacemnt for pure petroleum products, and it has already been "refined" as a cleaner fuel. ( Obviouslu power plant has to scrub any volatiles and waste just like they would with other fuels) in many cases industries are finding it difficult to source plastic fuel pellets and want more.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's okay to use paragraphs.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Trust me I know. I even like two spaces after a period. I'm running Jerboa mobile app on a custom OS, it does not play well with formatting, and I have been too lazy to trouble shoot if it is the keylayout app, jerboa or the OS. i.e backspacing sometimes removes text elsewher, and pasting at a cursor often randomly inserts elsewhere in the text body, so paragraphs are not a priority atm.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For example, I left line feeds in my reply, but on my end they are showing as all smushed back together.

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ack! What an annoying issue, I forgive you.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Ironic your username is systemglitch

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Experts say it could create a lucrative system that encourages companies to salvage waste plastic and reimburse Canadians and retailers for dropping off scraps.

One way of helping plastic producers keep track of the products at the end of their lives is to pay consumers and other users to return them β€” just like many do with alcoholic containers.

"We have an ability to actually incentivize consumers … to ensure that they're able to take plastics back so that it doesn't end up in the landfill and the environment through a return mechanism," Lakhan said.

"We see students on college and university campuses going around and actually collecting these containers off of abandoned tables or out of the garbage and scanning them to accumulate funds to put towards different initiatives," she said.

In a follow-up statement, Alberta's environment ministerΒ called the proposed plastics registry a "waste of time, tax dollars" which will increase the cost of goods.

In a news release, Environment and Climate Change Canada said the registry would "complement existing reporting requirements such as those under provincial and territorial" programs.


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[–] jkibble@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago

What??? Alberta government was against something potentially environmentally beneficial? Colour me shocked

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

This is gonna save retailers and manufacturers money, not us regular people. Stuff like this never helps or saves us little people money