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Bots of this type have appeared recently, and people are asking if it's okay to use them. I'm not sure about this either, so I think it would make sense to ask users.

These bots follow some subreddits on Reddit and automatically post it to Lemmy when a post is created there.

I've seen an example site for it: lemmit.online. This instance is dedicated solely to mirroring Reddit posts to the Lemmy instance.

Maybe instead of mirroring to a community on Lemmy NSFW, we can subscribe to lemmit.online via Lemmy NSFW. This way we could have kept Lemmy NSFW free of bots. Currently, even if accepted, I believe it should be done under admin control to prevent duplicates.

Here is the poll: https://strawpoll.com/polls/PbZqRw82byN

I'm open to suggestions.

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[–] monogotooonnisuru@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Categorically no. The point of lemmy isn't to be a content farm. It's to be a community where people respect each other. How can you respect anything or anyone while stealing content?

In fact I would go the other way and start banning people that are posting content they don't explicitly have permission to post. In this day and age where more people are seeking to monetize sharing nudes, we need to protect the few free content creators we have left, whether on this platform or the former one.

Fuck people and bots that steal nudes.

[–] AliceThePuppy@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a fair point but what about artwork? For example hentai. Are we really expecting only OC content to appear on Lemmy? I don't think that's realistic at all..

[–] monogotooonnisuru@lemmynsfw.com -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would argue that we're no more entitled to post people's hentai artwork as we are their nudes. More so in fact, it can take days to create hentai, only for it to be posted here with no mechanism for the original author to request it taken down.

If people really want to see other people's hentai posted here, why not link to it? I'm pretty sure the original authors would appreciate that. Plus if they see Lemmy generating traffic, maybe they'll join up and post stuff here directly.

[–] Ganbat@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

That's what sourcing content is for. All the communities I moderate require sources when possible, and proof of best effort when not.

Your suggestion would make hentai communities all but impossible for the exact reasons you already stated.

Linking only to an art page would make the communities functionally useless. People don't come to follow a million links, open a hundred web pages, and sign up for a dozen services in hopes of seeing something they like, they come to see the content, same as in any IRL content community.

Nude photos are cheap and easy to produce, so those communities would never be starved for content, but a hentai community that only allows direct images if they're OC would be dead on arrival.

[–] AdultingChaotic@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

This. 100% this

[–] Plofgu@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 1 year ago

Wish there was gold to give you.

[–] appyore@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

from a 'get as much content as possible' angle bots are good but i think there's a big risk of them drowning out actual posters which really takes away a lot of the fun of posting and making it feel like an archive rather than an active community.

[–] noreply@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I think organic growth is better than essentially being nothing better than an RSS feed that copies content from another site because otherwise what's the point when I might as well go to the original source in the first place. I want this community to be separate and grow into its niche on its own.

[–] maddin@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think we should not have them or else Lemmy will only be known as the platform that copies from others. Also there could be legal issues when the platform the content is copied from has an ill-minded CEO who wants to shutdown others.

[–] Arnaldur@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do you think there are grounds for attacking Lemmy or an instance for hosting all/some of reddit's user generated content?

[–] paddedperson@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

from a legal standpoint I can't see how there is, reddit doesn't own any of the content it serves. it's terms of service do require they give the right for them to display it, but not ownership of the content

[–] Plofgu@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

What do you mean? Just because someone has uploaded their nudes to Reddit doesn't mean you have the right to upload it somewhere else? It's a clear violation of copyright. And I'd suspect a sex worker advertising their onlyfans is not going to be too happy about it.

[–] chavposting@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for the notification of this post @yay@lemmynsfw.com.

I have created a script that would take the top (user-selectable) 0-1000 posts of a subreddit and post them to a Lemmy community. My plan was then to implement a vote threshold so that posts older than 48 hours and above a user-defined karma limit would be pulled in each time it was run - however the account login no longer works so I assume it and its posts were purged, so I'm here instead!

I do think that in order to get people engaged, we need content to draw them in. I noticed that once I'd posted 50 items across I immediately started getting subscribers to the community.

What I don't think is right is using bots to just replicate all the content on Reddit. As a moderator of several subs, a lot of content gets removed through moderation (hence the 48 hour limit), and a lot of junk gets through but just doesn't get upvoted (resulting in the karma threshold). Avoiding the "rubbish" would be good.

My view is that using bots/scripts to seed communities means we can kick start them into life much more quickly, and then when a critical mass of users is reached they become irrelevant and can be disabled. I don't think we're here to just copy and paste from Reddit - otherwise surely you'd just go there instead.

Edit: Just to comment on the poll itself. I don't think "bot only" communities make sense - we're not here to just copy Reddit... lemmit.online can do that. I believe we should allow bots to seed, and then let actual users take over. Unfortunately there isn't an explicit option for that so I just went with "Yes".

[–] Doctor8@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

On grounds of NSFW communities, we have to get the bots. People don't come to this page to look at 14 posts on each board. They come to them for the same reason they come to the reddit versions of these subs.

Aren't we trying to compete here? Aren't we trying to show the refugees a good time? We ought bot.

[–] kattoboiy@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

If something like that should be allowed, I think it should be marked with a tag/flag/flair (if that's a thing on Lemmy) so that you can easily filter them out if you want to.

[–] sexmachinyx@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

I think that would be super beneficial to help jumpstart this site. Maybe at some point communities can do it the other way around, so that the „main“ branch of the community is on lemmy and can port over the follower of reddit

[–] simp@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

I would prefer it if bots only reposted approximately 10-40% of the content that receives the most votes.

[–] NSFW_ALT_ACC_S@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago

So long as it doesn't overload and weigh down the instance, communities should be allowed to allow migration bots.

That poll seems kind of biased to only have 1 NO, but 2 YESs. The yes votes are split.

[–] State15@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm trying to make an account on this instance, been trying for days now but it never works, has anyone been able to create an account? It just forever spins after pressing sign up. I've tried on multiple devices and browsers, same deal.

[–] yay@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There should be a captcha. Check is it there. Also filling by password manager is not working for me. Try writing by hand. Be sure your password is strong enough also.

There could be many errors. We can't know because Lemmy server doesn't returns those. Hopefully these errors will be fixed in new version.

[–] State15@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

captcha was always done, password is strong too

[–] paddedperson@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had some issues initially on mobile, try on desktop, or hitting the hamburger menu in the top right, and change to desktop mode

[–] State15@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

tried both mobile and desktop and both chrome and firefox

[–] paddedperson@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

strange, have you tried leaving show nsfw unchecked, and enabling it in settings after ?

[–] pornrush@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 1 year ago

I am voting a no, and have been blocking bots whenever I see them.

I understand trying to jumpstart communities, however I feel bots should be limited to 1 post every 6-12 hours if allowed at all. And honestly, I think bots reduce the quality of a community regardless, especially if you are basing it off metrics on Reddit, where the top posts in many subreddits aren't necessarily the the nicest pictures, just the ones with the most professional setup and money to burn on bots upvoting them for exposure.