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Someone bought a century home in Saint John and is allowing it to rot. The buyer apparently lives in Toronto and doesn't care that the building is falling apart.

This is shitty. Someone has the money for "an investment", which means other people don't get somewhere to live.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah, landlords suck fucking ass. They're a bunch of greedy dickbags who want money for doing no work, by definition.

All non primary residences should have a massive tax slapped on them, not just these dumb foreign home buyer / vacant home taxes that nibble away at tiny edges of the problem instead of the core issue.

If we're having a housing crisis then why are we allowing people to hoard more than 1 home?

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no landlord. This property is empty. Nobody is living there.

[–] Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Took awhile to interpret what you meant here. I guess I never thought about it but by definition the noun landlord is tied up in some capacity with tenants paying a rent.

Intuitively, landlord sounds really simple. Lord being a ruler of a household and land in this context being a territory marked by political boundaries i.e 'someone's yard', you'd think they'd mash up easily to become 'Ruler of the house on the land' i.e landlord, but it's entirely more than that. In all definitions I've found it's tied into tenancy.

Kinda weird and I don't like it.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I meant it more collequially and was including real estate investors squatting on land in the same category since it doesn't really roll off the tongue

[–] Bondjimbond@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vacant home taxes can work if they are serious numbers. I want to see a vacant home tax at 25% of the property value annually.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No issue there, but why just vacant homes? Why are we not taxing all non primary homes when so many people who want and should be able to afford a primary home, cannot?

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Any tax that targets landlords will simply be passed on to the tenants, making rent more expensive.

Vacant building taxes seem to me to be a more effective tool to increase housing availability.

In Winnipeg there are some very visible buildings that have dozens of apartments that have been boarded up for years. The owner is a speculator in another city who refuses to do anything with the buildings. It's just sitting there falling into disrepair.

[–] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

the pass off to tenants are simply not true, there is a threshold and after that threshold buying a home is cheaper than renting. And not occupied rental unit is actually "expensive" to the landlords, so they will be forced to sell.

There are many things that affects how that would be applied, and the fall out of how you implement such tax.

  • you can't design the rules only for big metropolitan cities.
  • remote region does benefit from ownership cause the owner pays property tax to help maintain some basic local infrastructures.
  • need serious loop hole check so you don't ended up having companies gobble up everything "on sale" cause regular human landlords can no longer afford extra units.
  • buying a place should come with responsibilities to maintain that place, if left to rot or damage heritage site, government should be able to take over and bill the owner.
[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Any tax that targets landlords will simply be passed on to the tenants, making rent more expensive.

Simply untrue, if a landlord has to pay more tax on a non-primary residence, they're going to have to rent it out for far more than a mortgage payment would cost a first time home buyer, meaning that the first time home buyer will have an easier time justifying outbidding them at sale time.

Also impossible for a landlord to pass that on in any property that is rent controlled with long term tenants, likely forcing them to sell their second and third homes, putting more on the market and driving prices down.

[–] Splitdipless@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Not a bad idea, so long as the secondary property has utility. I'm thinking cottagers and those with Cabins in the woods can be taxed out of their long weekend/summer stays, but it doesn't add to where homes are needed.

[–] Smk@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 year ago
[–] ChildrenHalveTraffic@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes this is true everywhere in Canada. Property owners have very few obligations beyond mowing the lawn and paying property taxes which have shrunk by 70% since the late 90s relative to the sale price of a home. It's dirt cheap to own a property once you've acquired it.

Winnipegs mill rate is 12.9 today. In 2002 it was 29! Before that it was even higher.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Common term. It means dollars of tax per 1,000 dollars of assessed value.

[–] mashbooq@lemmy.fmhy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

People shouldn't be allowed to buy land just to do nothing with it

[–] jimmyjoners@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do they not have a vacant home tax? I know Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa do. It just makes sense

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

The vacant home taxes seem pretty low. I'm not sure they're enough to stop wealthy folks from parking their cash in rapidly approaching real estate.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

IIRC Winnipeg is in the process of implementing one, but it only applies to vacant single family buildings, not vacant multi-tenant ones.

It's start, but it needs to go farther.

[–] Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like y'all having a terrible time in general with this.

I'll pull out the relevant bit:

At the time, PMV's chief operating officer, Dave Loten, said the company would renovate many of the buildings and demolish a handful that were in poor condition. But the company quickly ran afoul of city inspectors after several of the properties were discovered to be vacant, often open, and in disrepair. Over the past two years the company has quietly sold off a list of its remaining properties in the city.

Ahh, the ol' "I pwomise I'll do it!" trick. Works literally every time.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

The regulations should say "finish the work, pass inspections, and get some tenants. then we'll cut you some slack".

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 year ago

Won't happen, but I like the following hypothetical law: If someone owns a non-primary residence in any municipality large enough to call itself a "town" or "city", it cannot be left vacant more than six months in twelve unless construction or repair work is being done on the property at least 20 hours/week by a licensed contractor. If the owner fails to find a tenant, the municipality is permitted to assign the property a tenant at what the municipality considers an acceptable rent without the owner having any say (although the owner still receives the rent). If the building isn't habitable without repairs, the municipality can arrange those and then bill the owner.

Use it or lose (control of) it, in other words. And it would prop up the local construction industry a bit.

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