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[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 29 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I recall someone I knew that worked higher up in the US government scoffed at the idea of many of the "Government" conspiracies as not plausible due to the sheer incompetence of most government.

Getting them to tie their shoes in unison was difficult enough versus keeping some big secret from the public over the generations.

With the amount of stupid people in the general public as it is I just view it as incompetence as at fault most of the time versus big cover ups.

[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I always laugh at people who simultaneously think that the government is completely incompetent and couldn't run a bath successfully, and that they're all involved in giant conspiracies going back decades that they've managed to keep secret.

Like, do you not see the contradiction there?

[–] smooth_tea@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

I always laugh at people who oversimplify conspiracies so that it becomes an "us vs them" straw man. It is more complicated than that. A few people want something, device a strategy, and then try to convince others how the goal they're trying to reach would benefit them while whitewashing the idea into something very legitimate.

This is such an everyday approach to handling things that people would never call it a conspiracy, the label is only applied when something is so outrageous that we struggle with coming to terms with it, and then we turn it into a caricature so that we can simply discard the idea.

It is never "the government". But in the 90's, a cabal of neocons drew up a plan to tighten their military grip on the world, and when 9/11 came along, they had an excuse to execute it and start waging wars in a bunch of countries while convincing everyone and the government that we were battling terrorism. That is how a conspiracy works.

To give you another example, over the course of decades, the UK sprayed millions of it's citizens in secret chemical warfare tests that resemble the popular "chemtrail" theory. A testimony to how compartmentalization is perfectly able to keep secrets when needed. And even now that's in the open, very few people know about it.

But in reality, there's often no need to keep conspiracies secret when you were able to convince the majority of people that conspiracies don't exist. All that's required then, is to call something a conspiracy, and people will turn out it droves to mock anyone who dares to suggest its legitimacy.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The more people that must participate in a conspiracy for it to work, the less likely it is to be true.

Can 3 people keep a secret? Sure. Can 1000 people keep a secret? Hell no!

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like something someone hiding a conspiracy would say .... we're on to you (adjusts and tightens up their tin foil hat)

[–] flatearth@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

After all these, you want to end up in hell?

[–] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

People also vastly overestimate how many people need to be in the known to participate in a conspiracy.

The chemical companies who dumped pfas into the environment fully aware of their problems had thousands of employees, how many of them do you think were part of the plan to keep it under wraps?

It's very easy to come up with excuses and string people along, you don't need to sit them around a table and explain your evil plot.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

And then there are real conspiracies, like the federalist society, that blatantly operate in the open. But they can't be bothered with them because it's not as juicy as the idea of nano bot vaccines or pizza gate.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

There's a conspiracy not because there are smart people orchestrating it

There's a conspiracy because there are dumb people doing things because they think they are smart but in reality they don't know what they are doing

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I've thought for a while about making a series to parody the likes of Alex Jones where I play a liberal equivalent of Jones and play heavily into the stereotypes that the far right have of the left.

So like congratulating us libs on things like turning the frogs gay, encouraging us to keep the flat earth a secret, bragging about the millions I'm being paid by NASA to be a shill, and praising Neil DeGrasse Tyson as the Lord and Saviour of our atheist beliefs.

Not to mention plenty of babies to eat and abortions to perform 👌

[–] ChillDude69@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Remember: Neil DeGrasse Tyson drugged and raped a woman in Texas, while he was working at UT Austin.

He then proceeded to tell her, to her face, that he chose her as a victim, specifically because they were both black scientists, and therefore she would be extremely reluctant to say anything about it, because it would harm the reputation of black people in the academic community, and it would be a hard case to prove, anyway.

But because he's a black man who humorously pwns the religious people, everyone gave him a pass, and decided to just flat-out refuse to believe the victim.

It's not just that accusation, either. There are multiple others. I just know more details about that one, off the top of my head.

[–] SpeziSuchtel@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Everyone knows that the earth is not flat. Turtle backs aren‘t flat!

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It’s globes all the way down.

[–] zout@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's why the elephants stand between.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Wouldn't it need a section of counter weight if elephants were carrying it?

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Two dimensional turtles are! 🐢

flat earthers are funi

[–] kubica@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

When I was younger I used to believe many conspiracies, then I noticed that same thing.

[–] Saltblue@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Flat earth is a Psyop, there are at least a couple of true conspiracies but nobody is going to believe the crowd who also says "Hur Durr the earth is flat", it will be automatically dismissed as the ramblings of crackpot naive morons.

Also earth flat -> therefore god

So it's like in Scooby Doo when you remove the mask of flat earth and below is the mouth breathing religious zealot who believes in everything and has the audacity to call others sheep.

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Wtf is happening in the top picture?