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Taxpayer-Subsidized Seminars Train Cops To Violate the Constitution (reason.com)

submitted 11 months ago by HLMenckenFan@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 50 points 11 months ago (2 children)

ACAB.

I don't care if "not all cops, tho." They know about this shit, and they don't do anything about it. They're supposed to (in theory) prevent illegality, and yet this stuff gets a pass.

It's no wonder Fundigelicals are bosom buddies, because they do the same thing with religion.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

They always say “it’s just a few bad apples” and conveniently forget the point of the analogy is that the bad apples spoil the whole bunch. So until the little piggies remove ALL of the bad apples, ACAB is 100% correct.

[+] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah I don't think it's that easy. Saying "all in this group are evil" is the same argument used to gas Jews in WWII, it's a really dumb and short sighted argument.

Yes, there is a LOT of shit going on and a lot of police officers are bad, but that doesn't mean they all are and just because they're not doing enough against this, doesn't mean they don't care or don't try or even can try...

With situations like these "it's not that simple" is a much better statement than acab, which as much fun as it may be to say, is just dumb and short sighted

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Saying "all in this group are evil" is the same argument used to gas Jews in WWII

Comparing German Jews in WWII to present day American law enforcement is an insult and you should be ashamed of yourself.

just because they're not doing enough against this, doesn't mean they don't care or don't try or even can try...

They're not just "not doing enough", they're actively rooting out good cops from the force and punishing them for being good! While the bad cops continue being bad, all under the protection of their union! The system is corrupt from the top down, and its members fight to keep it that way!

With situations like these "it's not that simple" is a much better statement than acab, which as much fun as it may be to say, is just dumb and short sighted

What's dumb and short-sighted is downplaying the danger the American policing system poses with the same bullshit "they're not all bad" argument we've all heard for years. Answer me this: if they're not all bad, why do they keep getting worse?

[–] phx@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they're actively rooting out good cops from the force and punishing them for being good

Which is actually one reason I have the ACAB acronym. There are good cops, and they get shit from both ends either for not toeing the blue-line or just for being cops.

If somebody actually does get shot, the ACAB crew is out in full force while often ignoring the lengthy record of crime and violence of the involved - or even camera evidence - while stating it was obviously just a cop looking for somebody to shoot.

Fuckers are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where nobody in their right mind would want to be a cop

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Works for me. They enjoy far too much indemnity. It's long past time they had to answer to the law they supposedly uphold.

But you missed the point. There are good cops. The problem is, they see the bad cops and choose their job over blowing the whistle. And given their line of work, that makes them spineless and complicit.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But how do you know they choose to not blow the whistle? Seems quite a number of things are coming to light where things WERE escalated to superiors or even government. These end up under gag-order while "under investigation" - often for years - which means that they reporting officer could be fined/jailed themselves for leaking it, and includes stuff like sexual assaults within the police force itself.

It's a no-win situation for good cops, and calling them spineless and complicit without knowing the details of such just makes you an asshole.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

seems quite a number of things are coming to light where things WERE escalated to superiors or even government. These end up under gag-order while “under investigation” - often for years - which means that they reporting officer could be fined/jailed themselves for leaking it, and includes stuff like sexual assaults within the police force itself.

This is the all in ACAB, right here. This is the point we're trying to make, and you're making it for us. The point is that the system of policing ensures that bad cops are protected and elevated and good cops are either silenced (thus becoming bad cops) or forced out. The fact that "it's a no-win situation for good cops" is exactly what ACAB is saying.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Except that ALL means everyone, which would include the ones doing good by citizens, fighting against corrupt shit, and not quitting.

It's not "all cops", it's the fucking system that corrupt.

It's like making a discriminatory (racist/sexist/whatever) comment and then turning to a person who falls under that group and saying "but, uh, we don't count you in that", and plenty of people DO immediately turn shit on anyone just for being a cop.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It’s not “all cops”, it’s the fucking system that corrupt.

What is the system made of? Who are the primary drivers? Don't try to make this about racism, "cop" is not a race, it's a conscious choice made by a knowing adult. You just said yourself that good cops, when they exist, either get corrupted or forced out. What does that leave? Bastards.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

I'm okay being an asshole.

[–] Fedop 4 points 11 months ago

Not trying to make a point or anything, but it only took one comment for you to bring up a Hitler reference. Isn't that like loosing the game or something? Means you only have a weak point?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It was that easy for an ex cop to agree that acab in a different comment. They agreed to the point that they said they themselves weren’t even a good cop.

When the cops themselves are agreeing with acab… I mean, believe them.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

this one anonymous person on the Internet claiming to be a cop agreed with me!

Yeah, that isn't exactly an argument. Not all police officers (can we pleeeaaase stop calling them the "cool" sounding "cop"?) are bad, especially outside of the US, but even inside the US you have loads of good guys and gals wanting to make a difference and make the world a better place.

Acab is the exact same behavior as those bad apples. Don't be like the bastards...

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

didn't say they were all evil. said some of them are evil and the rest ignore it.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago

The first a in acab means all so there is that... Beyond that, I'm sure there are loads that don't care and ignite it but there are also loads that do care but it simply isn't that simple. You can't just go on a lone crusader's path, burn your career and future to make ymreal meaningful change. It's not that easy.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think there are two things that need to happen to get this bullshit under control...first of all defang the police union...you can't function as a union busting group and get the protection of a union that's hypocritical bullshit. No more gypsy cops moving from force to force without their sins following them.

Second, a citizen review board that is made up of anonymous citizens called to serve like jury duty. The review board gets to make disciplinary decisions on police misconduct and it's 100% binding. No more some are more equal than others, or their dumbass "civilian" mind set... they're civilians too.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Union for me, not for thee.

[–] JoJoGAH@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

All the more reason we need to #stopcopcity

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

Police exist to protect the interests of capital owners. Not your constitutional "rights".

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

read this, ask yourself "why would police be against body cameras?" and realize that it's because they think their job entails constantly and knowingly breaking the law.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

So? The Constitution ONLY matters if I'm using it to defend a School Shooter!

[–] Tertle950@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 points 11 months ago

i love the government so much :)))

Hoping at least ONE undue search warrant that results from this garners a big fat lawsuit

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 11 months ago

And this is different from how my taxes are spent why?