Beehaw: We'll start our own Reddit. Without blackjack and hookers!
this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2023
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why did they defederate?
Trolls and off-site users not obeying community rules.
They were just making up excises to defederate if you ask me... cuz no one seems to mind most of the users either on this instance or another, but beehaw does 😒.
i am in the instance that got defederated by them. tbh there arent much trolls really and if there are i just flag and block them. just numbered trolls, like in any other places. beehaw think they r the Apple of instances, worrying about their user's 'safety' and all 🥱
They don't need an excuse, though. That's the benefit of being an independent website. They can just decide for themselves, at any point, and for any reason.
But they gave a reason. So, maybe you should consider that they're seeing something different from you.
That beats the whole point of having a fediverse, what good is it if everyone just defederates from everyone else. Basically, we're back to the forum thing once again.
I call BS. I think it was planned all along. Wait till a bunch of users migrate from reddit to beehaw, defederate and run our instance our way, i.e. we run a forum that has ActivityPub, that's it.
Federation is, always has been, and always will be an option. And an option that works ok when there's a small number of people on other sites doesn't always work well for people when there's a large number.
Plus, it's not like they defederated from everyone. They just had issues with moderation on your instance and a few others. Plenty of people off-site still have access to beehaw communities, because we haven't been acting like little stains.
You're going to be in for a world of psychic pain once there are 2 thousand smaller lemmy instances and they don't all universally federate.
And they won't. Because they don't have to. And you can't make them.
Oh, come on, no one else has a problem with users on sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world, but beehaw does... just look at the moderation logs, there is nothing scary there, like a bunch of users from those 2 instances getting banned in bulk or something like that.
I still call BS regarding the reason. The wanna defederate, fine (even though it's not IMO, but for the sake of argument, let's say I'm OK with defederation in general). But don't think for 1 second that we're gonna believe that excuse you served us. It's obvious it's a lie. And that's fine too, but... really? The same things that happened on reddit happening here as well, I mean... that was not the reason we moved.
Ok. You don't believe them.
Good for you.
Why should anyone else care what you believe or not?
And why would they bother lying, when they can just... not? They've been clear about who they are and what they're doing from the start. The "I say what I want" crowd can't say what they want there, and if they keep having y'all show up and try and ignore the rules, then why wouldn't they just get rid of you all at once?
You're trying to claim conspiracy as to why you've been dis-invited from the party, when the reality is they just realized they didn't want you there.
And you're just naive.
If others follow their example, this place is gonna suck worse than reddit. Having freedom is good, but too much of it fucks things up.
LOL 😂. With snowflake users and and... we'll call it a forum.
Someone tell them they don't need federated systems for that, they could have done the same on a phpBB forum from 2004.
Eh forget the whole thing
Federation is great - I can see and interact with hookers from other instances!
Hey, my Hooker from another instance! Don't hate the fediverse hate the Spez.
Way to get defederated, people 😩
There are a lot of new Instances are less than a week old. I think Moderators need to tend to their own forums and not have to deal with crossposts from other instances until the moderating tools are more mature. If they need to defederate temporarily, I've got no problem with it.
Now, if Beehaw wants to create a "walled garden" just because their mods are power-hungry jerks, remember that there are nearly 900 Instances on lemmy (according to lemmy explorer). If mods ruin a community for fans, the fans can simply unsubscribe, move to the second (or third) most popular Instance and re-subscribe / re-create the forum there and the mods of the first Instance can't do anything about it (because they voluntarily defederated). The distributed nature of lemmy means that the fans decide what forums are popular. It will be easy to see by sheer number of subscribers, which lemmy/Memes is the "real" one and which one is being run by the jerks.
This also means that corporations can't screw up an entire social network (like what's happening to Reddit right now). Reddit is basically a social network platform with tens of thousands of communities and ONE Instance. This makes it easy for a money-grubbing corporation to ruin things for everybody. However, if a company tries to ruin the most popular Instance on lemmy, everyone will just migrate to the second (or third) most popular Instance and the first one will wither and die.
Communities are not things that can be infinitely fractured and divided without adverse consequences. Humans aren't fungibility automatons and mere statistics.
The only reasonable design decision is to actively prevent the formation of "a biggest instance". Concentration of power will always kill communities. I was in slashdot then Digg then Reddit, concentration of power always lead to abuse of power and leveraging that power against the users.
I'm increasingly a used by the number of people that think beehaw defederated from more than, like, 3 lemmmy instances.
They didn't create a walled garden. They just told a couple of sites they, in particular, were causing problems.
Actually, Beehaw has blocked a bunch more than 3 instances. https://beehaw.org/instances
I just looked at the list. The domain names alone paint a picture of far right/red pill/sketchy pedo sites... Nothing too surprising. Hey, if you're into that stuff, you do you, but that block list is far, far, far from controversial
And almost all of those are not Lemmy instances. That's a Mastodon block list, and is overwhelmingly made up of Pleroma and Mastodon sites well known for shitty brhaviour.
Or did you not actually investigate the links?
Now I know why I left Reddit. Already a better experiance. But uh... where are the hookers at though? Are we waiting for them to leave reddit too?
Where are the hookers?
Hey there tiger
What can I get for $20 and half a Four Loko
Anything you want. 20 dollars is 20 dollars.
And forget about the blackjack!
Where is our black jack
lemmynsfw.com
I've heard it from a friend 👀
The first rule of lemmynsfw is...
I don't know where you get your Blackjack, but I get mine in Fallout New Vegas, but only with the mod that disables the 60 second anti-cheat countdown.
Come to think of it, New Vegas also has hookers too...
...some of them even give you quests.
......Yeah, blackjack!
Especially the hookers part 😂.
Friendly reminder that if you aren't hosting your own instance you don't have "your own Reddit"
...nor blackjack, nor hookers, for that matter..
I'm surprised, it took this long until I saw this Meme applied to the situation.