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    An oldie, but a goodie

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    [–] feddylemmy@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (17 children)

    "An oldie but a goodie".... What?! This shouldn't be celebrated. What an absolutely unacceptable way to behave. Shame on anyone encouraging this.

    [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Nah it's completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, and that as a maintainer. This isn't "oh he's a noob he doesn't know how the kernel works" type of territory. Also note that this happened after he had been told what's up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn't, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.

    Also, no "you should be aborted retroactively" in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn't necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.

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    [–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 40 points 11 months ago

    Man feel bad for the guy getting yelled yet

    [–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)
    [–] uis@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

    Randomly blaming pulseaudio and opensuse when talking about 100% CPU usage by KDE. It seems yes.

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    [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (24 children)

    I think whoever recieved this would be completely fine to report Linus to HR or something. The fact somebody thought to circulate it is suggestive that it crossed a line. I do appreciate he does seem to really care about the kernel. He could maybe tone down the hysterics a little.

    I think if there's a lesson here its "Never hit send while you're angry" always wait until your hormones to subside before sending an email because emails are records and people don't have good judgement while angry, so an email sent in anger is just a record of your poor judgement.

    [–] linuxdweeb@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago

    This is far from the first (or last) time he wrote something like this. This was just a regular thing in the kernel world for a long time (until Linus matured a little).

    Whether or not it was a good thing is up for debate I think. Yeah, it's very rude and unprofessional (and discourages new contributors who don't want to risk getting chewed out), but considering the importance of the Linux kernel, it's good to know the lead maintainer is doing too much of the right thing than not enough (i.e. being lax with bad code in order to be respectful). I'm fine knowing that a few tech workers got their egos smashed if it gives me confidence that the code powering civilization is high quality.

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    [–] quams69@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    To be read in the voice of J K Simmons

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    [–] HStone32@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago

    Stuff like this is the reason Linus decided to take a sabbatical back in 2018 to work on controlling his temper.

    [–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

    One does not simply break userspace. You'll receive more than just angry bug reports. There are restless maintainers who will not sleep. And the great corporations are ever watchful.

    [–] db2@sopuli.xyz 31 points 11 months ago (20 children)

    I'll be that guy: I miss the old Linus. If I fucked up that badly I'd want to know I had fucked up that badly.

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    [–] Xeknos@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but like...

    He's not wrong though.

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    [–] Spzi@lemm.ee 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I would not work with or even for someone with such an attitude, not even for money. Ok, do it yourself, bye. Got better places to be.

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    [–] interceder270@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I miss when people had higher standards.

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    [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago

    Poor Mauro: they weren't good at what they loved, they blamed others for their failings, and their community leader was nuts.

    Jokes aside, we've already got toxic right there. Linus isn't right, but someone like that would be fired with good cause. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's quite another to blame your co-workers for your own shoddy work.

    What's that Reddit phrase? ESH!

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