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Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.

I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.

(Also- hopefully this wasn't posted already)

https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout

This was written by the Lemmy devs.

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[–] NSA_Server_04@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Holy smokes, growing 25 times larger in 2 weeks. Keep up the good work! I just need a good mobile app for iOS, beta is full according to test flight lol.

[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Its absolutely growing massively, I don't think the DEVs could have expected this level of growth.

https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

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[–] MxM111@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair , that’s Reddit’s achievement.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd say it's an achievement that it survived the chaos and hasn't yet buckled under the traffic or the chaos of managing the influx of users that probably don't even bother reading rules.

I mean, this place was absolutely not prepared for this, and it definitely has a ways to go yet, but it's come out a week later in a much healthier place than I expected.

[–] FiendishFork@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I joined the TestFlight for Memmy today

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 89 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm pledging $5/month each to mastodon.world and the lemmy devs. I recently quit drinking, so this is a drop in the bucket compared to what I used to spend monthly on alcohol.

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[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 75 points 1 year ago (83 children)

It seems to have become a habit that most good things about the internet is linked to the EU. I'm really grateful. That being said, I hope that Lemmy can become a collaborative project uniting a lot of devs rather than rely on two people.

About the scandal; as long as their opinions do not influence the platform I don't see them as relevant to Lemmy. If they are illegal, let justice do its work.

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[–] theory@feddit.uk 71 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Hopefully this defuses the "lemmy is a tankie network" rumour once and for all

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Well of course they aren't genocide deniers. You can't deny something that never happened. Also note that they did not deny being Tankies - they denied being Fascists. Tankies don't recognize themselves as Fascists and will vehemently deny that they are. Here's another phrase for Tankie for the uninformed: Red Fascist

Here is one of the Lemmy devs denying that the Uyghur genocide in China is happening:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/

The Uyghur genocide is as real as white genocide. - Source

Here they are again denying it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq951cv/

The holocaust was a genocide that actually happened, with all the evidence that goes along with it. There is no Uyghur genocide.

Do you believe in anything as soon as the word "genocide" gets attached to it? What about "white genocide"? Are you a white genocide denier? - Source

And just so nobody can deny that parentis_shotgun is a Lemmy dev: - "I'm one of the devs of Lemmy"

Direct links to the posts will not work but still exist on the user's profile page: https://old.reddit.com/user/parentis_shotgun/ - hold PgDn until comments stop loading then Control+F. In fact feel free to peruse their history in general - it's quite interesting.

One of my favorite posts is their defense of the government of North Korea in /r/AskTankies: https://old.reddit.com/r/asktankies/comments/tb1836/okay_but_dprk_seriously/i04d1wu/

Now ask yourself why would someone who is not a Red Fascist Tankie piece of shit be answering questions on behalf of Tankies in /r/AskTankies while defending a totalitarian regime? Is it... perhaps because they're in support of such a regime because they are in fact a Tankie piece of shit?

They also lied about the "single user on Mastadon not providing sources". They did provide sources. The source were things said straight out of the dev's mouth.

Let's play a game of spot the difference between fascists (nazis) and fascists (tankies).

Nazis: Fascists who are directly responsible for the deaths of an estimated 12,000,000 people. Deny a genocide ever took place despite evidence to the contrary (Holocaust). Antisemites who forced minority ethnic groups to work in forced concentration and labor camps and starved them to death. These concentration camps began in 1933 and ended in 1945 lasting for a period of 12~ years. Had a secret police known as the Geheime Staatspolizei (Gestapo) whose job it was largely to suppress political opposition by any means necessary including execution of dissenters and spy on behalf of the Nazi party. Torture and execution were common - including that of women and children.

Tankies: Fascists who are directly responsible for the deaths an estimated 26,000,000 people. Deny multiple different genocides ever took place despite evidence to the contrary (Holodomor being the most well known). Antisemites who forced minority ethnic groups to work in forced concentration and labor camps and starved them to death. This Gulag network of death prisons began in 1919 and only ended after Stalin's death in 1953 lasting for a period of 34~ years. Had a secret police known as the Чека (Cheka) whose job it was to suppress political opposition by any means necessary including execution of dissenters and spy on behalf of the State. Torture and execution were common - including that of women and children.

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[–] IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I couldn't care less if they are actually tankies, just keep developing the code and don't try to inject malware (well it's open source they can't lol), believe whatever you wanna believe, I don't care.

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[–] Ashyr@kbin.social 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A tankie is not a fascist. He denied being a genocidal fascist.

I've seen a lot of pro-China propaganda coming from Lemmy and I suspect tankie is still on the table.

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Another phrase for Tankie ideology is Red Fascism.

I'd specifically like to highlight that someone who was imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp - so has firsthand experience with a fascist regime - described the Soviets as the following, emphasis mine:

Kurt Schumacher, who was imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps, but survived WWII to become the first post-war SPD opposition leader in West Germany, described pro-Soviet communists as "red-painted fascists" or "red-lacquered Nazis"

So in what ways exactly is a tankie not a fascist?

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

that exalts nation

"We did not hesitate to shoot thousands of people, and we shall not hesitate, and we shall save the country." - Vladimir Lenin

often race

https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor

that stands for a centralized autocratic government

The State

headed by a dictatorial leader

Lenin;Stalin

severe economic and social regimentation

Five year plan

forcible suppression of opposition

Cheka secret police.

If Tankies are not fascists - then neither were Nazi's.

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[–] speedycat2014@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm old and out of the loop but that astroturfing was so blatantly obvious it pinged my BS meter immediately.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What astroturfing? The tanky astroturfing or astroturfing about the place being tanky?

Because before the influx, Lemmy.ml was absolutely tanky. It's just been completely drowned out by the flood, so it barely matters anymore.

Like, this entire platform has arguably gone through one of the most dramatic changes in a week in the history of the internet. What was here before is almost irrelevant now. What the devs believe is also irrelevant because it's open source and decentralized. Literally the whole point of this is to not be beholden to them.

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Just because they said they weren't? They just dismissed the claim without linking to any real counter evidence by claiming it's just a random Mastodon user or whatever

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[–] Zebov@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never subscribed to any of these things, due to multiple reasons like being broke, because I knew I'd never remember to cancel it if I quit using the service, hating subscriptions, realizing most of these collapse almost as fast as they skyrocket, among many other reasons. I know I'm a pessimist.

But it's time to put my money where my mouth is, even if I just want a Reddit alternative. I'm old and grumpy enough to be sick of companies using people the way they do, and since I can't code, I can pay.

If you've read this far, I implore you to really sit down and think about what this project means to you, what it could mean to you, and what it's worth to you. Everyone does the whole coffee analogy - give up coffee for a day and you can support X. But as a Reddit refugee, I think that if I was willing to give Reddit a couple bucks a month to an app for their API access, why on earth wouldn't I do the same here (even before all of Reddit's recent BS)?

You can either pay or be the product being sold.

[–] cablepick@lemmy.cablepick.net 25 points 1 year ago

I’ve never paid Reddit a dime but I’m going to signup for at least whatever gold costs. Fuck spez.

And to those of you who are developers, consider submitting some PRs! I'm certainly gonna take a look at the code

[–] teflocarbon@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

This was a very well written statement and gives me a lot of hope for the future of the platform. I’ll be more than happy to invest my time and effort into it.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just want to say I'm fairly vocal about bugs/issues/confusing things. But I totally understand lemmy wasn't prepared for tens of thousands of new users overnight, it was just so sudden and unexpected. So even if me and other users sound grumpy just know that at least this one is aware it's going to be a bumpy ride for a while as the internet adjusts to this massive upheaval.

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[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

How many people were turned away by the whole tankie thing I wonder..hmmm

Imagine hearing some vague bs and making a distinct and principaled opinion about an entire universe of information.

Even if they are some flavor of doo doo, we take it, and make it what we want. I just don't see the point in outright noping. At least in this instance.

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[–] CrashEchoes@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

Saying they don’t support genocide isn’t really addressing the issue…

Most complaints are that they deny China’s treatment of Uyghurs and seem to conflate criticism of that with racism against “China” (conveniently ignoring the plethora of ethnicities in such a huge country). If they want to detach themselves from the controversy they should be making a statement denouncing the Chinese government’s treatment of people in Xinjiang. Their statement could be clearer.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One can quite easily twist "we deny genocide is taking place" into "we don't support genocide." It's easy to say you don't support genocide when you're saying there's no genocide in the first place. Frankly, everything I've read about these guys is repellent and there's no way I'd be donating money to them. I gave money to Ernest, the developer of kbin, instead.

That said, though, this is completely true:

We are individuals with our own opinions. If you disagree with these, it is no problem! You can still freely use the Lemmy software on different instances. If you host your own instance, we have no control over it at all and are unable to censor what users say.

It's an open source program operating with an open protocol and they can't stop the rest of us from using it. If they ever try it'll just get forked. So I see no problem with having Lemmy be a major part of the Fediverse's infrastructure.

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[–] jugalator@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pledged on their $5/month tier on their Patreon page now. That's the least I can do given what I understand they're going through right now. :D

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[–] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The rumors actually got to me. I've still been using it but wondering when that would be mentioned by the creators. Glad to see it's false

[–] arquebus_x@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'd never seen any of the rumors, went to lemmy.ml for the first time (thinking I might join) and one of the top threads was a complaint that a post with anti-CCP analysis had been taken down by the admins and within 5 minutes of further research I was able to verify that, yes, the admins/devs are tankies. It's definitely not false.

So I backed out and switched to kbin.

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[–] IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It doesnt even matter if its true, if a non fascist/tankie made the same code, none of you would be complaining. Why should anything be different just because the devs happen to be a fascist/tankie/ whatever they believe in. They cant control what each instance does once they publish the code. The code is public now and its free for anyone to use. They can't censor what we say in instances that they don't control. I mean try it now, you can flip them off right here, right now and they can't do anything about it, they don't run lemmy.world. Only the owners of lemmy.world can do something about it.

[–] Nadya@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This completely ignores the influence that flagship instances have.

People don't become Neo-Nazis without spending time among other Neo-Nazis listening to Neo-Nazi talking points. People don't become Tankies without spending time among other Tankies listening to Tankie talking points.

People are more likely than not to join the flagship instance than any of the smaller instances and significantly more likely than starting their own instance. Some of them will realize the kind of people they have found themselves surrounded by and leave. Many more won't - especially due to general ignorance about Tankies (see this entire thread and the absolutely bizarre common defense of Tankies not being equatable to Nazis when they absolutely are and have resulted in more deaths and suffering than the Nazis ever have or will.) The people who stick around might start thinking the Tankies make some good points. This is how you end up with more Tankies. More Tankies is always a bad thing just like having more Neo-Nazis is always a bad thing.

Most people have a good sense to not surround themselves with Neo-Nazis. That good sense appears to be missing when dealing with Tankies.

[–] Widget@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Aren't the flagship instances right now essentially lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works? Maybe Beehaw once the re-federation gets figured out? And then kbin.social on the kbin side.

This only matters if you use lemmy.ml, which I would expect to be largely defederated at some point soonish.

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[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I'm not down to subscribe ongoing (because I definitely will forget and think some fraud popped up), but I made a one time donation, and will likely make additional donations in the coming months and weeks. I'd love for this platform to thrive and have no qualms throwing up a few bucks for that here and there.

[–] coffeeclimb@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Dang these guys are so committed and it's definitely understandable what they've just gone through. It's definitely up to the community to help out wherever possible as that's kinda what the fediverse is all about

[–] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I hope we see more donations. I for one will for sure make a few over time

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