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What it says on the tin, really. I think this is going to be an issue when they get around to the smaller communities... It's going to suck majorly, as most people's default will remain with reddit for community discussion like this...

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[–] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Splinter the community, I'm going to stay with the people who went through the mess of setting up a new place that isn't beholden to Reddit. It may be forever smaller, but of the 600,000 subscribers, how many of them contribute?

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It may be forever smaller

I would honestly consider this a feature, not a bug.

[–] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

eh, it is what it is, and i'd say not really either. For now, probably nearly everyone that's staying here is probably a contributing member, but if we continue building and promoting this community, then it will get to a sizeable number of lurkers. As long as we don't attract bad actors, or bad actors are dealt with swiftly, it's all good.

[–] qat@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah we gotta grow this community. And wait for reddit to make the next mistake that will drive people here.

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[–] CaptainTightpants@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most social media runs by the 90/9/1 rule. 90% of users lurk, 9% of users post, 1% of users produce content.

I'm hoping that this house cleaning changes those numbers up some.

I know that a lot of people are afraid to post. They may not believe that they have anything interesting to say. And they may not trust their ability to write coherently. Some of you folks are intimidatingly good at writing insightful posts and making it understandable to everybody.

Maybe with a smaller community we can encourage more people to take part and, paradoxically, become more diverse.

I'd also like to encourage everybody to attempt to post something interesting. A pet theory. A reinterpretation of a scene. It doesn't really matter. You can only get better by doing and we all benefit from new ideas. Don't be afraid to sound like a fool. It's kinda my default state and I'm still here.

[–] qat@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d also like to encourage everybody to attempt to post something interesting. A pet theory. A reinterpretation of a scene. It doesn’t really matter. You can only get better by doing and we all benefit from new ideas. Don’t be afraid to sound like a fool. It’s kinda my default state and I’m still here.

How about we post some of our favorite quotes from the series? Here's some of mine :p

“Use the force, Kirk.”

“Help me, Spock. You’re my only hope.”

“Beam me up, Skywalker!”

“This isn’t the Data you’re looking for. Move along.”

“To boldly go where no Jedi has gone before”

“You’ve never heard of the Enterprise? … It’s the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.”

“Set sabers to stun!”

[–] bluedepth@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The "sacking" of the current moderator volunteers that I've seen in some news articles this morning leads me to the next step, which is if a moderator can be tossed, that's a chilling effect for the next moderator and then, all the people who remain subscribed to that subreddit. I don't know if that will actually happen this way, it will at least be a fascinating exploration to see how this all unfolds. Someone on Mastodon mentioned that Reddit makes no content of their own, it's all volunteers, the public, and their 3rd-party toolset. That they are burning all of it and maintaining that everything will be fine in the end. Smells a lot like bravado and big-talk.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this is a important take - as far as users are concerned Reddit merely hosts the content and the community, but as far as Reddit is concerned it owns the content and wants to monetise the community.

The problem for Reddit is the moderation is done by users who do it for free, mostly because they love their communities and want to keep them going. Those people are not easy to replace - plenty of communities shut because no one wanted to moderate them, and plenty of users just aren't interested. So if they lose the moderators, there is a small pool of people to replace them and many of those may not be motivated in the same way. There will also be bad actors amongst those untested moderators.

Lose the moderators, and the communities fall apart as bad content, rule breaking and negative behaviour takes hold. The "content" becomes lost and the value of what reddit things it owns falls massively. An archive of old reddit comments is actually not worth much - sure people google things and find answers on Reddit - but it's the current active users and daily content that draws people in.

I think Reddit is doomed as it is failing to understand it's own business and what made the site successful.

[–] autojourno@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup. An opinion writer in the Washington Post had a weird analogy yesterday, but it works — Reddit’s business model is almost the same as a thrift store’s. People donate stuff (clothes and furniture to Goodwill, analysis and humor to Reddit). Volunteers sort through it and throw out the bad stuff (volunteers at Goodwill, moderators at Reddit). And the business sells it (Reddit has one extra step here in that it sells ads, so it uses the donated-and-sorted stuff to build an audience to sell).

If the donators and the sorters walk, what do they have to sell?

[–] darkmugglet@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

That opinion peace helped me to understand what was different about this situation vs Twitter. The business model at Twitter is different. Twitter didn't require communities with tremendous user investment to create a community, and by not realizing community was the differentiating aspect of Reddit, they didn't understand how passionate people would be.

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I read a pretty great write up on Mother Jones about the inevitable enshittification of reddit. Seems like all social media sites are doomed to turn into hot garbage eventually.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

Oh, reddit will survive, it'll just be even shittier than before. And maybe it'll bounce back to somewhere close to what it was, but in the meantime, there's now a growing viable alternative.

My recommendation for anyone who decides to visit reddit adopt a comment signature promoting startrek.website along with a link to a new user tutorial and a quick explanation of why we left. Keep picking them off and make our existence common knowledge over there.

[–] Kaotic@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Open it back up and change the rules to only allow pictures of starships, encourage discussion's over here.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All pictures, videos, and discussion must have John Oliver in them somewhere.

[–] MartianInAHumansBody@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All pictures and videos must be deep fake John Oliver in Star Trek

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[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago

I'm loving the malicious compliance arch

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[–] lwaxana_katana@startrek.website 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wasn't there a thread on r/startrek today about them deciding to reopen? I was surprised by how many users were pretty angry about it having been closed, tbh. I felt really good about the decision to close, even before I joined Lemmy.

[–] ethane@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

That's cos the ones who wanted to leave are here lol

[–] trekchu@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I don't know. I haven't been back since the day the move was announced. So if they have decided to reopen, be it old mods or not, all the power to them. I don't care any more.

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[–] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not that much of a surprise, really. Most of the ones that left would have left, whether for here, elsewhere, or outside. They have no reason to hang about Reddit still.

[–] roofuskit@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a completely empty threat. Do you think Reddit is capable of replacing the whole moderation teams of 5000+ subreddits in a couple weeks? NO they aren't. Which is exactly why /u/jailbaitlover i mean /u/spez is trying to get singular mods to cross the line so they can boot the rest and put all the moderation on their new scab.

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[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Eh it'll happen. Either the mods will want to see the subreddit continue or they will leaveike us. One way or the other it will be back.

Just gotta make this place fun a d engaging.

[–] kattaru@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hey um, /r/startrek is reopen now lol

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, some mods deleted their accounts and came here permanently, but evidently the remaining mods decided to reopen. This was not expected, but not much we can do about it now.

It looks like it is (not surprisingly) already starting to be considered. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/06/15/reddit-threatens-to-remove-subreddit-moderators/

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