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Article by Polygon: It explains why Disney's "Frozen" caught lightning in a bottle with its two female leads. The article goes on to compare this constellation with other Disney movies and how Disney's executives still don't seem to have understood why centering on relationships between women may be a formula for success.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You can blame it on anything really. Maybe people just like the color blue.. tmakes sense considering that Finding Nemo also became s big success and that was literally in blue.

My point being, as long as you can argue for something you can have a point.

[–] Jah348@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah and here I thought it was because the positive story and amusing likeable characters.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Exactly! But I think the clue colours help a lot too... /S Also the ice theme, in a world struggling with global warming could be a utopian fairy tale in the viewers subconscious

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago
[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am not sure I agree. Female characters tend to attract a big female audience which is often underserved and thus inclined to create a much bigger buzz surrounding movies that cater to them. "Barbie" being another example of that IMO.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I do not agree with you theory but find it Interesting if it is a fact. Do you have data that validates this or is it a gut feeling?

[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There are studies about the topic. In general, it is a topic that the movie industry has discussed a lot, because women being underrepresented on screen has been known for a long time. Particularly because the movie industry sees it as an opportunity to maximize profits (of course).

[–] TechNerdWizard42@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's a stupid movie with snow, a cool colour tone, zero politics, catchy songs. Kids like it because it's a Disney movie the way it is supposed to be. Adults like it enough because it has some likable moments. The women crap has nothing to do with it. It just happens to have a woman and a snowman and a moose thing. Maybe that's the magic combination.

Most of Disney's recent, last 15yrs, releases have just sucked. The popularity of most is based 100% on the songs. Moana is a woman but also a huge Polynesian dude and a chicken. Just a catchy floofy movie. Kids love it. Adults like it.

[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

zero politics

If you don't count the antagonist of the film taking advantage of Anna's loneliness to get engaged to her, and then plotting to kill Elsa and take control of Arendelle.

Agree with you otherwise.

[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Brave wasn't nearly the hit that Frozen was. It was also two female leads and explored family dynamics and avoided the romance side plot.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

The first paragraph lists the actual key to the films success, the rest of the article makes a poor attempt to spin a counter narrative to the obvious and fails.

No way this “key” was more important than the soundtrack, an excellent teardown of unrealistic romantic expectations, and the hardships and power of sibling relationships.

Disney made a great movie about two sisters finding their way, they don’t need to make 100 other movies along the same theme for its own sake.

[–] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

The best part about "This movie succeeded because of this insignificant detail" articles is getting a bunch of media afterwards that hyper focuses on the insigificant detail.

Then in a few years we get the "Why does the public hate media where X" articles