Reminder that Bitwarden is backed by Microsoft SQL Server even in self-hosted instances (you must use it as backend database service).
Vaultwarden is a re-implementation that allows you, between other features, to use FLOSS database servers instead.
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I feel like Microsoft has too much power. With linked in, they know if you're working, where and if you got connections. That company strives to rub me the wrong way in so many ways. But it's cool that there is a floss version.
My worries are not focused in how much power that company has but the importance about digital rights, including software freedom between others.
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BitWarden,¹ it just works really really well everywhere. The app is pretty much the same on every platform (which is a good thing imo) and you also have a CLI in case you prefer (may also be useful in some sort of backup script, I suppose). I personally use the cloud service they provide, but you could very easily and cheaply get a vaultwarden² server up and running and be the total master of your passwords, using a $2.5/m VPS or something like that.
¹ https://bitwarden.com
² https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden
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Edit: also, the premium Bitwarden plan doesn't mean that at all, imo. The plan can be very useful if you really need those features (sidenote: I advise ever using the TOTP thing, that's just putting all your eggs into one basket and defeating the purpose of 2FA), it's very cheap ($10/y iirc) and you can always export all your data with the CLI, setup a server and import that data.
But they limit password sharing to two people. It's weird. Why? Is that a really good feature? Will they just change policy and screw you over later?
It is a way to make some income out of an open-source project. If you want the convenience of their managed server, then you have to pay to access limitless orgs (the way to share secrets), otherwise you're limited to just a 2-person org. The family pack is quite accessible imo, at $40/y for a 6-person org.
Your other solution is, like I mentioned before, host your own server. vaultwarden supports orgs, like you can see in their feature list: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/wiki
BitWarden is really great and a good example of a successful FLOSS project. I get the overall "companies just want to screw you up", but one must not get completely blinded by it ;)
I personally use Bitwarden as a cloud solution and KeePass (KeePassXC for desktop and KeePassDX for mobile phone) as a local solution (I sync KeePass password database with Syncthing across all my devices).
If you do not trust Bitwarden, you can always self-host your own Bitwarden server (I would use vaultwarden, an unofficial Bitwarden-compatible server written in Rust).
Alternatively, if you do not want your data to be stored on any server whatsoever, KeePass with decentralized synchronization between devices with Syncthing works really great for me.
I hope you find what you are looking for.
As many said combination of KeePassXC on computer and KeePassXD on android. I sync file with syncthing. For security I have setup three word passphrase, made of words representing unique stuff that was on my desk at the time of creating file, words are connected with symbols not spaces. Even if someone gets my password database file, it will be useless for them.
KeePass has many adventages:
- local file, no need for internet to check passwords
- tested and trusted file format
- compared to pass (other local solution) encrypts metadata
- can store more then password: ssh keys, otp
- tons of applications supporting file format - death of one doesn't mean anything
If you're using a centralised sync system keepass allow keyfiles.
I use passphrase + keyfile. And I don't sync the keyfile only copy it manually.
Or you can use something like Yubikey as a second layer. Don't know if that works on mobile.
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Yes. I was actually reading about this one last night after I posted. I decided to give it a try. In a few minutes I got my Google passwords out and translated. Now I need to add my other ton of passwords.
There are importers for most of the password storage options. I would recommend separate database for import and then merging import db with your actual database, backing up everything before.
KeepassDX on Android. KeePassXC on Linux. Sync my password file via Syncthing on my local network.
This is me except I use GNOME's Password/Secret manager on my PC
I don't know how I ever lived without Syncthing honestly
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KeePass XC/DC (keepass-cli most of the time) with Syncthing is amazing.
- Fully offline.
- It can be sync inys your own local network.
- Secure.
- Powerfull. (it really has a TON of useful features)
- Fully FLOSS.
- Works on all platforms.
I do the same. It really is the best solution that's fullly E2EE, and doesn't require you to host a server.
They can't compromise a server if you don't even have one.
This is the direction I'm heading to for sure.
I use pass. It has a really nice app and Firefox extension. Pass might not be the easiest to use, but it's made using tools that I use everyday(git & gpg) and that gives me a lot of confidence.
My favourite is Bitwarden. FOSS, privacy-respecting, secure and possible to self host: what more could you want?
KeePassXC for solo and Vaultwarden (Bitwarden clone in Rust) for teams.
Cannot go wrong with KeePass (including derivatives). Works on all my devices, no cloud nonsense, everything is local and I can use Unison and Syncthing to sync it all up.
Personal favorite: Bitwarden, It just works really well without issues and the free version is more than enough for a regular usage. And if you do NOT trust the company or you want the premium features without paying for them then you can self host it for yourself! Another great password manager is Keepass!
KeePassDX (Android) + Syncthing to keep the file synchronized between devices.
I don't usually open the file on PC, but there are clients for all platforms
the major drawback is that I can’t trust it. It’s got a “premium” version, and that has always meant a slow steady spiral into “you must pay now that we have you by the balls” situation. Another drawback is that it’s centralized, kill the company and so go your passwords I suppose.
you can self-host Bitwarden if you want.
Another drawback is that it’s centralized, kill the company and so go your passwords I suppose.
You supposed wrong. If for some reason their servers are unavailable you still have local access but lose sync. Enough for exporting and using another service if necessary. Still you should create a backup once in a while.
But the major drawback is that I can’t trust it. It’s got a “premium” version, and that has always meant a slow steady spiral into “you must pay now that we have you by the balls” situation.
So you have a beef with paying for services? or believe you deserve a premium quality software/service for free? If you don't want to pay then chose a choice that..
suck major ball sack..
Also some people already recommended Keepass but it weird you didn't mention it since is usually the first result for FLOSS. That one seems to fit your requirements.
To be honest I mostly use Firefox Sync. It is quite good and well integrated but only does the very basics.
For more advanced stuff I use pass. It is nice because it is infinitely flexible and can store binary data if needed.
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Bitwarden, personally. Like others are saying, it works well and despite having a paid plan, it's not required at all, and you can still export all your data if they ever decided to paywall it or something.
I used Keepass but I dropped it because I had difficulties with sync using ftp servers on linux clients (I think it's a mono bug) - now I use Devol's Bitwarden instance and I'm satisfied, but I'm planning to install a little vaultwarden instanse on my RaspberryPi
Bitwarden is open source (server, plugin and app) and can be self-hosted so it's not centralised in any way that matters.
Also, I think an honest freemium offering is the best way to do it - have those that are willing/able to pay subsidise those who aren't. It doesn't have to be a slippery slope, and that's not exactly common in the open-source world. After all, you can just fork it and go your own way if you're not happy. Also, running servers isn't free, and being able to remunerate the devs a little is no small thing.
So, in summary, use Bitwarden. You can set up your own server and install the plugin/app yourself if you want.
I used to use KeePassXC, it works fantastic. After a few too many friends and family members started asking me about internet safety due to getting their accounts compromised, I spun up a Vaultwarden instance for us to share.
I've been using kpcli/KeePassDX + SyncThing for years now.
Keepass!
I only ever used Bitwarden after I switched from Dashlane and I couldn't be happier. The Android app is incredible, it's got a great browser extension and it syncs for free. If you don't trust them to store your passwords on the cloud I understand that but I wouldn't know what alternative to recommend.
Self hosted bitwarden (vaultwarden). I think vaultwarden has the paid for features too (or some of them) but I don't use them so I'm not sure.
I'm just happy using pass. I made several scripts to create new passwords and get usernames and passwords. I may end up using a GUI some day though, but not yet. And if I have more contents on encrypted files, I just use pass from the command line. I like having everything on git and the repository itself on a USB stick. Although I'm currently curious at Himitsu. If I have time I might try it.
PyTenPass and KeePassXC.
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