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[–] Nighed@sffa.community 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Even reading the article, I'm not clear - when they say dumping, do they mean that these are used units that they are effectively recycling by reselling to other countries (good?) Or companies deliberately building piles of bad units that don't meet local standards to export (bad)?

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dumped air-cons refer to those produced by various brands that do not meet the minimum energy performance standards (MEPS) in the brands' own domestic markets. They end up being exported to places with less stringent standards.

I’d go by the explanation offered under the subsection “What is a dumped air conditioner”

[–] Nighed@sffa.community 1 points 1 year ago

Not sure how i missed that bit...

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago

Stuff cheap to make but impossible to sell to westerners because of stringent laws. Just like cigarettes and asbestos.

[–] QuinceDaPence@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Especially considering you don't really trash these I don't understand what "dumped" is.

Air conditioners are very valuable as scrap, if we're talking about bad units

[–] palal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Low capital cost for high operating cost. Where have I seen this before?

[–] korewa@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the us market there is a new standard for evaluating efficiencies seer2 and hspf2. The minimum standards are only 1.3 seer higher than the old standards. In that sense it’s a bit sensationalized.

The article touched on the upcoming change in the US market to switch to lower global warming potential refrigerants. The new ones are about a fifth lower.

These might be coming from Europe as the us is still transitioning. Additionally the old refrigerants are not barred from being manufactured and will be continued to be used to maintain older systems. Again this is somewhat sensationalized.

We already created the equipment and ‘spent’ carbon emissions to manufacturer these. It would be a waste to throw it away.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If some of these are older, there have been several increases in minimum efficiency as well as switching away from older refrigerants

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=40232

Story time: at the beginning of this year, my brother got a new air conditioner. However he got it dirt cheap because of surplus inventories that could no longer be sold, unless he bought “last year”. While jump in efficiency from this past increase in the minimum standard may be small, it was significant enough to make a huge difference in pricing and supply

[–] korewa@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Certainly, the equipment might become unusable, but rather than disposing of it, they are repurposing it elsewhere. Considering the environmental impact, whether the efficiencies and lower global warming potential (GWP) outweigh the benefits of discarding an already manufactured system, which would necessitate manufacturing anew for compliance, is uncertain.

I would estimate payback period to align with a lifespan of around 10 years, matching the expected duration of some of these systems. This estimate entirely anecdotal.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

payback period to align with a lifespan of around 10 years

That’s the critical fact: what is the payback in terms of cost were deployed to drive the decision, and in environmental impact which needs to constrain the decision.

It’s also important to know wether more inefficient units continued to be manufactured because there was still that secondary market, but calling it “dumping” implies not