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2023 Las Vegas Grand Prix - [PRACTICE 2] discussion thread (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by wes@lemmy.world to c/formula1@lemmy.world

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ROUND 22: United States 🇺🇸

FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN SILVER LAS VEGAS GRAND PRIX 2023

Circuit stats

First Grand Prix: 2023
Number of laps: 50
Circuit Length: 6.201 km
Race Distance: 310.05 km
Lap record: N/A
**2022 winner:**N/A

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[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If you allow me an opinion: this one's on the FIA. It's not the first time a cover is dislodged and cause problems (2019 Azerbaijan GP FP1, 2020 Portuguese GP FP3). One would think that by now there would be a Safety protocol for street circuits, with one of the points being "Verify the security of all drain covers and assure that they can't be lifted by drag forces". This would be specially important regarding current ground effect specs. The fact that they had no idea if the drain covers would hold up the cars passing at full speed over them is an indicator that somebody is not doing their work. And the one who should look up for safety is the FIA.

[–] DV8@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This entire day so far is showing how good most track organizers are. If this was test by F1 to see how much better they would do, it's showing they're delusional about their own organisational skills.

That on top of how detached they are from the fans, both more newer casual fans to more hardcore fans. I can't speak for the superrich but I suspect that even they would be embarrassed about this.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Don't worry they kicked the new casual fans out of the seats last night so no need to worry about them anymore.

[–] Nighed@sffa.community 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In this case it wasn't the weld that broke, but the concrete which is more difficult to test. But yeh, makes them look very stupid.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Stands evacuated for logistic reasons. No fans attending FP2.

[–] DV8@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Damn, I'd be pissed if I paid so much money for tickets and the stay.

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why? What is the "logistics" reason, anyone know?

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People needed for security, maintenance, etc had to left, afaik.

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Thanks.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Sainz will take part of FP2, but will most probably be penalized for the battery replacement.

[–] DV8@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is jut ridiculous. F1 and FIA fucked up the security and Ferrari gets penalized for it.

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Not trolling, genuinely asking. Why do you say this? I have been working 18 hour shifts all week and have not been able to follow up on anything F1 related. Could you post the backstory or some links where I can inform myself please?

[–] DV8@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The damage to the Ferrari car floor, battery and even the monocoque was caused by improperly secured drain covers. FIA should have found this problem before allowing cars on track. F1 as organizer should have done a better job preventing this in total.

So while usually the track organizer is not actually F1 itself you can argue it's not their fault something like this happens, in this case it's stupid that the problem is caused by the entities that are also applying the penalties to the victim of their negligence.

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I understand what you mean. Thank you for taking the time to answer. I appreciate it.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

I just want to comment to say how I appreciate this friendly and informative conversation! Have a great weekend!

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[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

10 places may be the penalty imposed. Sad.

[–] Jozav@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

According to F1TV commentary, he would go back 10 places on the start grid.

[–] DV8@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Am I just being old and grumpy for disliking the neon advertisements? The commentators can't stop talking about how pretty they think it is, but I'm not seeing it. It's reminding me of cyberpunk 2077 except that in there it's pretty clear that those lights are indicative of society taking a wrong turn and ending up in a dystoptian hellscape.

I know the other tracks have ads too, but at least there they aren't pretending it's aesthetically pleasing.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Visually speaking, light ads (neon, leds) are noisier than passive (printed, painted) ads. It's basically visual pollution. As a kid I used to like it, but as an older person, I prefer calmer environments. I'm also against light pollution. Fireflights have disappeared near and in cities because of this. And we can't see a decent night sky anymore. I may be old and grumpy too... XD

[–] wes@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The livestream just concluded, it's going not great so far in "spectacular" Vegas

[–] Gsicht@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The shots being set up to show ads aren't obvious at all...

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Look! T-Mobile!" "Look! Google Chrome!" XDDDD

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Expected start: 10:30 GMT - 11:30 CET

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

See you later! Planned start no sooner than 2:00 am local time (10:00 GMT | 11:00 CET), but most probably 2:30 am (10:30 GMT | 11:30 CET). Around 100 minutes (1 1/2 hours) from the post of this message.

[–] damirK@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

All contingent on repairs and the track has to open to regular traffic at 4am local time.

[–] krimson@feddit.nl 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apparently they are filling up all hundred drains with cement? What a shitshow.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Correct. They're filling all drains with quick drying cement.

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

WHAT? WTH!

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Local laws forbid them to solder the covers (that was the solutions when these incidents happened in the past), so they had to fill the holes with concrete.

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would think this will be a lot of work to "undo" after the race.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a problem for future them... XDDDDD

[–] Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

haha indeed!

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This one brings serious 2019 Azerbaijan GP FP1 vibes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5f87xjg-m4
It was George Russell's misfortune that time. And a cover got loose at the 2020 Portuguese GP FP3 too

[–] June@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Holy shit. I didn’t start watching in earnest until 2020 so I missed this gem.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Gawd damn. Toto absolutely ripped into one of the journalist's questions at the press conference.

Dude just got headphoned.

[–] krimson@feddit.nl 8 points 11 months ago

Is it just me or has Toto been grumpy af lately? I mean I get that journalists can be annoying but this was just over the top.

[–] Jenztsch@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

I wonder how he would have reacted if it was one of his cars that was damaged instead of Sainz...

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

It took me a while to get the reference, but then I remembered. RIP headphones... XDDDD

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And it's over. Track repairs held the whole session. I hope the information gathered by the teams is valuable. And that it doesn't rain, and track doesn't lose the rubber it got.

[–] June@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

I hope this race is so fucking bad that they cancel any future races here unless Vegas builds a dedicated track. This notion of holding a street race in Vegas is just bonkers crazy and will never result in an interesting event. It’ll be Monaco, but without any of Monaco’s redeeming qualities.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Confirmed: FP2 starts at 2:30 am local, 10:30 GTM, 11:30 CET

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Both Carlos and Charles mechanics working on Carlos' car

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Good morning to the EU fans. Good night to US fans.

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sainz most probably will get a penalty for changing engine parts

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

FP2 started

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Carlos Sainz's participation in doubts.

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