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Dozens of former short-term rentals have gone up for sale since the ban was announced in October, and not one has sold


This article is part of a national, multi-outlet investigation into Airbnb and other short-term rentals, and their impact on the housing crisis. Our reporting has driven policy change on both ends of the country, and your donations have made that possible. Thank you to everyone who has donated to support this important work.

The open house is all set up, but nobody's coming. There’s plenty of foot traffic outside, but those are mostly Airbnb guests, wheeling bags in and out of the building, and they’re not here to buy a home — just to occupy one for a few days while they still can.

In October, the B.C. government announced a ban on short-term rentals that are not in the owner’s principal residence. These units are the most troublesome, because they take housing off the market for long-term residents.

The ban includes units like this one in downtown Victoria — condos that were previously grandfathered-in despite a ban introduced by the city in 2018. That “legal non-conforming” designation kept thousands of homes off the rental and condo market in Victoria alone, and by some estimates boosted their value by as much as $50,000 to 100,000 because of their substantial revenue-generating potential. Before the new legislation, that premium could be made back in a year or two — but now the clock is ticking down to May, when these condos’ ability to earn money as short-term rentals will evaporate. That’s leading to a rush of units hitting the market as owners try to get out of pricey investments that seem destined to plummet in value.

So far, listing prices haven’t reflected this new reality. Hence the empty open house.

“I think a lot of these owners are still in denial,” says real estate broker Dustin Miller.

Not all, though. Miller started hearing from some Airbnb owners within minutes of the government’s announcement that it would severely restrict short-term rentals.

“One of them decided to list right away — like, ‘Let’s get ahead of this, let’s sell,’” he recalls.

read more: https://ricochet.media/en/4010/in-victoria-former-airbnbs-are-flooding-the-market-but-no-one-is-buying

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One who lives by the free market shall die by the free market.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

What free market?

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

While I agree with you, shifts in valuation due to regulatory changes are not exactly “the free market”.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

Hey, you're right, lets just march headlong into that future where the rich minority own everything and we are all grateful just to be allowed to work for them.

The market is not free when there are no alternatives to choose from.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People seem to be missing your point. This isn't a free market reaction, it's a reaction to a regulatory change. However, any sane buyer should have seen this coming a mile off.

Housing should definitely not be subject to a full free market, no life critical good/service should be. Housing demand has a lower end that is extremely inelastic. If supply drops enough to hit the limit, prices, in a free market, go haywire (prices rise till demand drops to meet supply, but demand can't drop, it's life critical).

This effect is prone to gaming by those with the resources. Therefore regulation is needed to artificially stabilise the market. Removing a massive housing sink is an obvious move to free up the supply.

The life critical resources are:

  • Food
  • Water
  • Housing
  • Basic healthcare
  • Security

It's the government's job to keep these at a level where none are difficult to obtain, at least at a base level. Generally this requires distorting the market in various manners.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bingo. The problem with a pure free market is similar to the paradox of tolerance. The participants in a free market don't want to participate in a free market. They want to be a monopoly where they hold all the cards. A real free market with perfect information is great but it will never happen. It's the Government's job to ensure that there is still an equitable distribution of surplus in an unfree market.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

One of the big things with a free market is that it assumes everyone is out to screw everyone else. Buyers want minimum prices, sellers want maximum. In principle, it all cancels out. Unfortunately, the information and power balance is also assumed to be even. In practice, it's not. It also requires both parties to be able to walk away. With housing, that's not an option.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

Dude the "true free market" that you're talking about is one corpo owning everything

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Why? Policies and laws are all part of the free market. And if you don’t like it, you’re free to find another market.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe if they cut back on Disney+, lattes and avocado toast they could sell these for less?

[–] TQuid@beehaw.org 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Landlords these days just don’t want to work anymore

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Does anyone?

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess they need to drop the price by the $50-100k it was inflated when they were allowed

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Article specifically mentions the $50k-100k but I agree that is probably optimistic

I just moved my family to the island over the summer and even though we came from a VERY high cost of living area we were priced out of Victoria. Ended up moving to the Comox Valley and paid probably half what I would have for the same house down south. I do miss some of the amenities of the "big" city, but I will adjust.

not an option for everyone I know, but it was for me and I am glad I did it.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the supply of something went up dramatically, yet prices are still sky high and demand is low? I wonder what basic thing they could do to drive demand back up?

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

Give it a month or two, they'll break

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

I hope the market crashes and burns before they can sell..

I doubt it, but I'll still hope

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

I guess they are selling for too high a price