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Apologies if this is the wrong place for this. A few subs opened up and were discussing the possibility of extending the blackouts. The majority wanted the blackout to end to keep the influx of content. That was to be expected.

There was a disturbing tone in some of the messages though. It was a form of cynicism essentially backing Reddit to do whatever it wanted to the devs, and that it was wrong to protest the rule changes as we should be okay with whatever Reddit wanted. It was almost like learned helplessness. I genuinely found it to be disturbing. Is anyone else noticing this in their communities/subs?

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[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've moved on. Lemmy is where it's at. I only post on reddit to promote lemmy now :-) It's my new game. Polite and respectful suggestion of an alternative. But, it's better to just be here, get to know people, figure out how it works and enjoy the learning experience

[–] brahmsss@lemmy.fmhy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

i LOVE it here. I was just in reddit then, for old times sake, after reading this thread ;-) and the anger and negativity is real. It's SO good here. This is like the old days of the net, with modern tech. I LOVE it

Same! I am posting a polite comment when appropriate about the fediverse and Lemmy explaining how it works and responding to respecful comments/questions. There are some vicious people in the replies but I just report and don't engage.

Lemmy is great! Let's gooooooo!

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[–] Debo@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Every population follows a standard, normal distribution curve. At the tips of this curve are the trailblazers (who left and came to lemmy) and the opposite side who feel as passionate about staying as we did about leaving.

Now that we’ve moved the 3 rd standard deviation off of Reddit, the curve has shifted and the opposite deviation is amplified.

This is to be expected when you have a population-level shift in any observed population. :)

This guy stats

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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Keep 2 things in mind

/r/conservative assholes are running amuck across all of reddit at the moment.

And, Reddit has been known to astroturf comments in the past and I 100% guarantee that they are probably working on that to some extent right now.

[–] DreadPirateShawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100% guarantee ... probably ... to some extent

Hedging your bet there I see. :-)

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Always never commit fully to something,

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[–] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why would /r/conservative support killing third-party apps though? I don't really see the connection.

[–] DreadedChalupacabra@latte.isnot.coffee 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If people generally to the left support something they automatically oppose it, and a lot of the big leftist and liberal sites were the first ones on this blackout train.

Like this isn't being mean, they'll admit they do that. They're proud of it.

[–] Debo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I lean to the right in my political views yet I do not exhibit any of the behaviors that you are subscribing to an entire population. Consider being more exact with your words lest you alienate people with vitriol.

[–] minimar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

You're right, right wing politics is primarily propagated by the desire to be evil.

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[–] towerful@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Probably because they are less conservative and more ... Contrarian?

[–] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I guess they just want to "pwn the libs" by being made to use the awful first party app and have all the adverts etc.

I think the decentralised nature of lemmy, kbin etc. is much more in line with the libertarian ideals that some of the right have though.

[–] minimar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What you're realising here is right wing libertarianism isn't real, it's an excuse to allow people to do horrible things to eachother. They're still very happy to ban things they don't like.

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[–] MasterBlaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

They view protesters against suthoritarian moves as whiny liberals, so they will always take the opposite position - and like it.

They see "take charge" and "fuck you" activities as real turn one, they don't even stop to assess what is happening. They get raging boners over it.

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[–] LemmyAtem@reddthat.com 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not trying to nay say or poopoo you, but the best course of action is to stop talking about/worrying about/focusing on Reddit. A wise friend once said "you'll never get over your ex if you're constantly checking on and talking/thinking about your ex."

This type of post essentially functions as a reddit stand-in for you to discuss reddit while not on reddit. That, in and of itself, is kind of self affirming for reddit. Example - you're posting this asking if anyone feels the same as you, however, by even asking it, you're also enabling people to read it and think "gee, maybe they're right and we should just cave and accept".

Instead of this type of post, focus on developing the new community you've joined. Get over your ex by moving on and focusing on the future, not thinking about what they're doing or living in the past.

Cheers

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Has this wise friend of yours been talking to my ex? Did they mention me?

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The best joke is always in the comments something something

[–] Debo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Where were they at when you saw them? Were they with anyone? Did they look happy?

[–] gravity@infosec.pub 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There were reports reddit was using bots to influence the conversation

[–] Skyraptor7@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

I would not put it past them. They tried banning accounts promoting alternatives.

[–] Ralphensnitch@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a distribution bias. The people commenting are the people who didn't leave. Those that did might not have come back, or are not checking regularly.

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This. I'm not posting on reddit anymore. I haven't even loaded RiF except to see if my post history is showing so I can edit all traces of my presence there.

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[–] Zapp@beehaw.org 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of us wildly underestimate the number of our peer accounts that are corporate shill bots.

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[–] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Most" people are going to be annoyed, more than anything. While extremely tech-savvy, my brother isn't an avid Redditor... only ends up there for one or two niche things or when a Google search gets him there. All of a sudden he can't get there and doesn't really understand why. Even reading the various synopsis doesn't make it particularly clear to a newcomer. Once I explained what was going on an answered a few questions he got it, but he's still irritated by the fact that he knows there an answer behind that locked sub that he needs.

Those of us who have arrived thus far are not "most people".

[–] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe R/datahoarder was working overtime to back up everything. The amount of knowledge stored on reddit on all sorts of topics is very valuable. It's a shame to let it die if Reddit ever goes bankrupt.

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those guys are exactly the kinds of people who should be on the fediverse, honestly. Running a Lemmy instance, even not participating but just letting it accumulate.

[–] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe there's already a datahoarder community on lemmy. Hopefully more will come.

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[–] 14specks@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

It was a mistake (though natural) to trust Reddit with all that knowledge in the first place.

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[–] Mane25@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I think what's jarring is the contrast with how relatively nice everyone's being over here, while Reddit hasn't changed. I had a quick look back at some reopened subs but I don't have much of a desire to go back right now.

Also, this was never really about the APIs specifically for me, that brought it to a head, but really it's all about the way Reddit has been heading for the last few years. A lot of people who are back don't seem to appreciate that.

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you gotta remember that the constant consumption of media is similar in many respects to addiction - people need their media back, preferably in an easy to swallow pill. the vast majority of the reddit userbase is unwilling to search for other methods/platforms to satiate that desire.

[–] Skyraptor7@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess i didn’t think it would be this bad. Like in one of my favorite subs, some of the user base is turning on the moderators, who have been excellent and have developed the community from nothing. It’s just unbelievable to see some of them turn that quickly.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

It doesn't need to be this bad. People are inherently capable of ugly, self-destructive behaviors like this.

But it's ultimately a reaction to an environment which is profoundly inhumane. Although these people are physically unharmed, they have been mentally disfigured by the mechanical claws of corporations, manipulating their needs and desires in order to extract wealth. They are not themselves. And thus I pity them, because I have also done ugly things as a result of pressures applied to me by our resident corporate overlords. They know not what they do.

Some people are actually just assholes though. But not that many. Most are being led by the mob rn.

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[–] query@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I think now it's just a matter of building up the alternatives. The blackout was enough of a push for me to find and explore this place, and many of my regular subs look set on staying private, so I'm hoping that means more people will be looking around, especially once it lasts through the weekend.

[–] Seven@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, I can understand some people not supporting the blackouts (not the third-party api fiasco)- Reddit is an info powerhouse, some subs going dark means some info won't be accessable, which for important subs, can be a problem (I know not all the subs went dark and some health-critical ones are up btw) alternatively, maybe some people just don't want to see Reddit die, not for corporation reasons, but maybe due to certain sentimental reasons- in which case Lemmy is still the spiritual successor of Reddit, the good part atleast- and we can say that Reddit is already "dead", as in, it no longer is the Reddit as it is known anymore, unless if they like the modern day extra-consumerist hivemind Reddit, in which case, it is better we let them enjoy themselves...

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[–] Glunkbor@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have witnessed these bad responses on different soccer-related threads as well. They all behave like junkies who really need their fix of reddit desperately that they get toxic against those who protest and dare to take their precious fix away. A bunch of "no one cares, trust me bro"-responses, mods get attacked for having too much power. It's sad really how addicted they are to reddit. I personally hope most, if not all the subs that went dark will do so indefinitely. Might be good for the mental health of those who are dramatically addicted as well.

[–] AMindForeverVoyaging@lemmy.fmhy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

β€œNo one cares, trust me bro”…until their dealer (corporate Reddit) decides to start charging for their fix, or else nukes their favorite subreddit to make the whole place more investor-friendly. Then, it will be β€œHOW DARE THEY???”

[–] Glunkbor@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's embarrassing how shortsighted these people are. Reddit will be an absolute mess riddled with ads in the near future, especially when they force mobile browser users into the app and I would not put it past Spez to disallow adblockers being used on their website as well. Then you get spammed with ads unless you buy Reddit premium, which surely will rise in price as well. And then it will be too late to protest. So silly to not see the direction that reddit is taking and to complain about protests now.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Most of us have been seeing it for years but failed attempts like voat were discouraging. The type of users they decided to alienate this time was their greatest error. Don't fuck with the mods and the app devs lmao... that's why this exodus is like the absolute opposite of voat.

[–] DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was almost like learned helplessness.

This is a huge problem on reddit as a whole, IMO. The whole website is chock-full of doomers, cynics, and pessimists who are quick to say why every piece of good news is bad, actually, why every attempt at change is doomed to fail, why there's no hope for anyone anywhere trying to do anything, and we should all just lie down and wait for the sweet release of death. It's universal, across almost all the big subs, regardless of subject matter.

I'm not sure why reddit ended up that way, but it was both exhausting and depressing. That doomer shit is contagious, spend too much time immersed in it and you catch yourself thinking that way too. And, well, it's just sad to see everyone around you being sad.

One thing I'm loving about Lemmy / KBin so far is that it's not like that. Maybe it's just because they're still small and new, but people seem less nihilistic here. Not polyanna-ish toxic-positivity optimistic either. Just... normal. It's so refreshing. God, I hope this place stays this way!

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[–] animist@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most people on reddit are American, and from what I've seen of the people in that country, 90% are bootlickers and the remaining 10% escape to better countries

[–] Reoru@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I implore you to rethink your usage of wide sweeping generalizations for the sake of an argument that fits your opinion. If we don't want Lemmy to turn into a negative cesspit like reddit we gotta focus on civil discussion instead of 'enrage to engage'.

[–] Debo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

This is my favorite post.

[–] DreadedChalupacabra@latte.isnot.coffee 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

... The people who don't leave the country are poor, who exactly do you think the boot is stepping on?

[–] Fauxreigner@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Not even "are poor", just "aren't rich." Immigrating is expensive, both in actual costs and in loss of stability.

[–] spirals@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm disabled, no country will have me. I'm stuck in the US for good even though I hate it.

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[–] XiELEd@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I actually logged in just to vote yes on the subreddit polls asking to extend the blackout, and... yeah. It manifested as acknowledging that a 2-day blackout wasn't going to do anything, and after that they would continue to argue that we shouldn't proceed.

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