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[–] donio@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When you have a goose that produces a reliable daily supply of golden eggs do you:

  1. keep collecting your daily egg
    or
  2. see if giving it a good kick or two gets you more eggs
[–] Zifnab25@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

As YouTube increases the number and length of ads, the amount of traffic behind blockers rises accordingly.

This is also just... a function of the evolving digital space. The consolidation of the internet ownership sphere and the modernized APIs/coding tools afford server-side content warehouses more and more power over what the end user receives.

Because AWS owns all the fucking rack space, because ISP monopolies are the defining feature of western net access, and Microsoft force-feeds people their proprietary interfaces, we're moving away from the point where clients control what they display and closer to the point where everything's just a dumb-terminal for big business.

We're effectively backpeddling from Web 2.0 to Terrestrial TV.

[–] XLRV@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

"But what about profits"

[–] Link@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Youtube most likely never made any money. Hosting these vast amounts of video is expensive. Google stopped telling us how much they money youtube made them lose. You would think they would start bragging when they could make a profit off of it.

That being said, this still sucks of course.

[–] naoseiquemsou@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Although they don't profit directly from youtube, it's a strategy they take to impede competition from arising and keeping their name as the main one. It's the kind of strategy only multibillionaire companies can do, and, in my opinion, something that should be restricted, because it affects smaller businesses to the point of becoming inviable.

[–] Zifnab25@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

More notably, its a strategy they can do when borrowing costs are functionally zero.

A lot of this shit is just the consequence of Fed Rate Policy. No more cheap money means these loss leaders are actually being expected to generate profit, not to just act as clearing houses for propaganda.

[–] nigh7y@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They have really gone all out on the whole enshittification process during the past couple of years, haven’t they?

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[–] dan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Then I’m going to begin not fucking watching YouTube.

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There is a federated version of YouTube...

But storing video is a massive challenge, way harder than dealing with a Lemmy or Mastodon instance.

[–] dan@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

My rational mind realises it’s such an expensive system to run that it’s reasonable for them to charge or show ads. The problem is they’ve been extremely aggressive with ads and pushing subscriptions, to the point where I’m pretty resentful of the idea. Plus they’ve neglected so many things (like allowing aggressive copyright predators and refusing to implement sensible human-based appeals processes) that they really should have dealt with and instead embraced an algorithm that I’m pretty sure is at least partially responsible for the radicalisation of large groups of people.

I.. don’t mind paying for shit. I just don’t want to give them money.

Also: wow there’s federated video sharing? Bet that’s not cheap to run.

[–] vividspecter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also: wow there’s federated video sharing? Bet that’s not cheap to run.

It's called PeerTube for the record.

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[–] CoffeeBot@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I think the other issue is that giving them money doesn’t stop some of the ads iirc

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[–] veloxization@yiffit.net 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The tricks YT doesn't want you knowing about...

NewPipe

Piped

Invidious

[–] champion@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
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[–] manned_meatball@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

oh boy, I wish youtube kills itself like reddit is doing right now so decentralized alternatives can become widely adopted

[–] pinwurm@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

YouTube is a bit of a different animal.

YouTube allows creators to monetize content - so there's a sense of shared success. Channels from Tom Scott or Captain Disillusion are amazing, because their production in part relies on that revenue model.

YouTube also understands that without paying for popular content, you won't get the consistent cavalcade of medium content from people that want to earn a living or notoriety through YouTube. And that include anything from videos of cats falling over, blogs about life in remote places, DIY home improvement or niche guitar technique lessons.

Meanwhile on Reddit, if a user gets thousands of upvotes and a million page views for a short story they wrote exclusively for the platform, Reddit won't pay them a cent. The very thought is laughable.

The other thing to consider is that the technology just doesn't exist for there to be a viable 'federated' YouTube. YouTube has 800 million videos - many in HD and many are hours long. That's a big ask in terms of storage and maintenance - even several thousand videos.

Video compression has a long way to go before that changes. For now, it makes sense for leave that storage to the companies with resources.

Text, however... well, all of Wikipedia can fit on around 20 gigs - 60 million odd articles. And for the record, that can pretty much fit on an iPod from 2002.

I do wish that YouTube wasn't a monopoly. Twitch is the only thing that's close, and it has it's own special lane for live streaming. Back in the old days, there was some competition - including Google Video. But that went away when Google bought YouTube. I guess there's Vimeo, but they've got a very different approach.

I mean, the Justice Department is suing Google for monopolizing ad tech - and I think we could see antitrust laws used in the next few years to breakup YouTube. Maybe the successor companies would federate - like when Bell was broken up into what became Verizon and ATT - who now directly compete for customers.

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[–] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

We did the Twitter to Mastodon migration. Now we are doing the Reddit to Lemmy/kbin migration. When are we doing the YouTube to Peertube migration?

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[–] waspentalive@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As fill-in ads are a vector for computer viruses and other malware I for one will NOT be disabling my ad blocker unless YouTube is willing to provide a lifetime subscription to something like Life Lock and make me whole for anything lost to whatever malware arrives as a part of an ad.

Where else can I watch sci-show, Linus-tech-tips, and all the other channels I subscribe to?

[–] beatniak@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just use newpipe. It's youtube without the ads. Doesn't have casting support, but it allows you to download the videos. You can also listen/download to the audio of videos, without fetching the video.

[–] blank_sl8@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Newpipe will probably be blocked as well if youtube is doing this. Honestly not sure why youtube hasn't blocked yt-dlp and others already.

[–] KindnessInfinity@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not easily block able as it scrapes the YouTube website. They'd have to stop having a website for that to happen.

[–] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly curious if they'd ever consider that, considering how popular watching youtube on the phone is, so I could see them trying to get even desktop users to use an app to prevent 3rd party launchers

If they did though, it would probably cause at least a decent number of people to try to find alternatives

At the end of the day, the main way the fediverse gets new users is the big tech companies screwing up

[–] dan@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The problem with scraping is that while it’s difficult/impossible to block completely, it’s pretty easy to keep making changes to your site to disrupt scrapers. The work required by the scraper to adapt to those changes is usually way more than the work you put in to disrupt them.

So if a commercial site wants to make scraping unreliable and impractical, they almost certainly can.

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[–] PavelKorchagin@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Great, now YouTube is being further enshittified.

[–] psysok@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I pay for a youtube premium family plan. Best money I spend monthly. I want to support the youtube creators that I watch, I don't have to see ads (I block them anyway), and I get a music service included.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Yay for you?

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[–] Richardisaguy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah, good luck making watch das trough newpipe

[–] petriborg@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn straight - they can take my NewPipe from my cold dead hands :-)

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Alphabet killbots have been dispatched to your location. Remember to enable sponsorblock in the settings.

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[–] Unsigned@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] PeefJerky@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is there an image that has better quality? It’s illegible.

[–] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Say "Larry page is better than Steve jobs" into your nearest across phone.

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[–] pvq@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That was a wild read. The 4chan guys can write better dystopias than Hollywood.

[–] landordragen@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

YouTube is the only Google service I use on a regular basis. Happy to leave them behind if they continue with this type of behavior.

It would be less convenient, but it is what it is and if there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s ads.

[–] albert@lemmy.sysctl.io 4 points 1 year ago

Just FYI for anyone reading: Invidious and Piped are great YouTube mirrors, and Piped even blocks in-video sponsor sections!

[–] LostCause@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When will companies finally understand that some people won‘t watch ads no matter what tricks they employ. I‘d rather watch no video at all than a single ad. If that is their goal, fine.

[–] SuperZutsuki@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

And the percentage of people using ad blocking has to be crazy low. I've never seen another person in public with ad blocking. Every time I happen to see someone watching youtube, there's ads playing.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like it's profit squeezin season on every major platform.

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[–] pineapple@lemmy.pineapplemachine.com 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I actually do not understand the widespread hostility that people have toward this kind of thing. I watch a lot of content on YouTube, and I don't want to see ads, so I pay for premium. I watch a lot of content on Twitch, and I don't want to see ads, so I pay for turbo. Hosting a major video streaming website isn't cheap. It's not like these things are unreasonably priced. If you hate the ads so much, then why not pay for the service that the platform is offering you, and for the content that creators are providing on it? And if you don't watch often enough for ad-free viewing to be worth a few bucks a month to you, then why get so worked up about having to sit through an ad every now and then?

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't speak for everyone, but I block ads and don't pay because I hate Google. In addition to their repeated violations of user privacy, they go out of their way to disable OS features unless you pay them. Like disabling background play or PiP with Safari on iOS. Those features use the same open standards as foreground web browsers, so it literally takes extra effort to break them. Effort that could instead be used to fix the numerous problems with their platform, which they don't. I refuse to reward that behaviour.

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[–] LostCause@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hate ads with a passion due to my experiences in the marketing industry and will go out of my way to never watch any. I also don’t want to pay for random internet content, especially not to companies on the stock market. (Though I do use Patreon a bit for some content creators)

Can‘t explain it much more than that. If youtube locks me out due to that, so be it. I don‘t get worked up either, I simply state my opinion on it where I please and if I‘m not wanted I leave. That‘s about it.

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[–] ram@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can watch any YouTube video on Invidious, Peertube is a federated alternative to Youtube, Odysee is a blockchain based Youtube alternative that kicks back to creators and users, and many creators use Nebula as a subscription platform that directly pays them.

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small cease and desist for users

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