How many women voted while accompanied by their husband though. I feel like a lot of them could have voted no under pressure
this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2023
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Do you really look at the world today and have a hard time believing people would willingly vote against their interests?
Both of these things can be true.
Misogyny becomes so normalized and institutionalized in a culture that even women sometimes do things and vote against their own best interests. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a surprisingly high number of women who voted no.
Case in point, how many Christian conservative women vote against a women's right to chose whether to carry a child to full term?
How would the husband check? Voting is strictly secret punishable by law. It's next to impossible to check what your wife actually put on the ballot. For a reason...
I doubt they were enforcing men not checking on what their wives voted on before it was even legal for women to vote
Of course they did. Did you ever vote?
How do you think that goes? "Hey you! Only one per booth! Oh, it's a man. Is it your husband? Oh, I see your marriage certificate. Then it's all fine." for millions of couples? Come on...
You might want to check your facts.
I believe the Liechtensteinian constitution only guarantees a secret ballot in parliamentary elections. It's not guaranteed that this vote also had a secret ballot (although it probably did).
It doesn't need to be constitutional, a simple law is enough.
Sure, if this was some kind of joke poll ignoring the most basic rules of democratic voting, I'll stand corrected.
I mean of course it doesn't need to be a constitutional law, that was just the most basic of Liechtensteinian law I could quickly find (and many countries have it there, e.g. France). But it's unwise to assume that the secret ballot is such a given in a voting process. Nigeria has open ballots iirc, and even the US does not technically have a system that guarantees a proper secret ballot (as mail-in votes technically don't meet the criteria).
Nigeria
It's not a democratic process then by definition.
mail-in votes technically don't meet the criteria
Now that's a valid point. But how bold to assume, the vote was lost because men forced their women to use mail-in. In reality, reasons are much more complex.
It's not a democratic process then by definition.
Secret ballot is not a prerequisite for a democratic process. The UK has numbered ballots allowing courts to, in exceptional circumstances, order the reveal of what someone has voted (violating the secret ballot). But we don't claim their voting process is undemocratic.
But how bold to assume, the vote was lost because men forced their women to use mail-in.
I never assumed this. I'm merely pointing out that the secret ballot is not an automatic given in a democratic election.
Secret ballot is not a prerequisite for a democratic process.
What? Of course it is. Hence: "The secret ballot became commonplace for individual citizens in liberal democracies worldwide by the late 20th century.".
The UK has numbered ballots
secret != anonymous ... OPs argument mainly dismissed confidentiality.
But we don't claim their voting process is undemocratic.
we certainly would if no one checked the number of people simultaniously using a voting booth.
I never assumed this.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that. I meant OPs argument.
In my experience a lot of women (especially in patriarchal societies) support the idea of gender roles. And they are more than willing to apply violence to keep dissenting women (and men) in line.
Being against own interests is an old human quirk.
Actualy, if you open the link, you will see that women outnumbered the men in the election (2507 to 2228). Out of the women who voted, 50.5% voted to for, so it was pretty split. Men were closer to 40/60 for/against, leading to the loss.
In short, if only women voted for, and all men against, women would've won.
Good. Nobody should have to endure suffrage.
Jk btw
God bless Liechtenstein.