Pin pointing EVs for wood is pretty dumb, imo. A lot more wood is used for housing and furniture. There's also a lot of plastic in cars, a lot more than the wood used to put up... what's the article angry about? Oh... power lines.
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Just reality. I thought it was pretty clear but I'll say it anyway, it's angry about deforestation, with a particular emphasis on old trees, hundreds, setumes thousand year old lynchpins in an already devastated ecosystems.
As I have never actually seen a local power line (and the high voltage ones obviously don't use wood), can I get some feedback which countries actually use overland lines using wood for their local grid?
(Also @WarmSoda...)
America. It's an enormously huge country with a lot of infrastructure built in waves as people moved west across it. Huge amounts of small towns and cities everywhere that built thier grids using poles and just haven't upgraded since because of the cost of replacing all of it and burying two centuries of cable.
There's also large areas where burying electric cables just isn't feasible for various reasons. It's not a simple change.
Why can’t wood be “obviously” used for high voltage?
Canada uses wood for all types of transmission and utility lines. Even high voltage, the limitation is clearance, if you think they are a fire risk or something…. I don’t know what to say about that.
Okay, then: it obviously isn't used usually for high voltage lines. And no, I actually checked before if that is just what I'm used to. But googling high voltage lines I get the same kind of metal designs from five different continents...
So you might be able to do it, but then you are seemingly a small minority.
PS: here 's Alberta, Canada.
Wood is a material which is limited in use in high-voltage transmission. Because of the limited height of available trees, the maximum height of wooden pylons is limited to approximately 30 m (98 ft). Wood is rarely used for lattice framework. Instead, they are used to build multi-pole structures, such as H-frame and K-frame structures. The voltages they carry are also limited, such as in other regions, where wood structures only carry voltages up to approximately 30 kV.
In countries such as Canada or the United States, wooden towers carry voltages up to 345 kV; these can be less costly than steel structures and take advantage of the surge voltage insulating properties of wood.[10] As of 2012, 345 kV lines on wood towers are still in use in the US and some are still being constructed on this technology.[16][17] Wood can also be used for temporary structures while constructing a permanent replacement.
From Wikipedia. Yeah wood is used and it actually has insulation properties.
You never answered my question about why it “obviously” can’t be done. You’re googling is terrible apparently, use wood and high voltage, lots of results.
Electric Cars are like bottom of the list when it comes to deforestation. If it's even on that list.
Roads, yes.
But like the other guy said, this article just makes fuckcars look childish.
What a fuckin stupid article. You're harming your movement sharing shite like that.
In actually-developed countries, power lines are underground now, and every time a pole needs replacing, it disappears
Youre wrong
TIL progress is wrong
Burying lines may or may not be progress. That's not what I said
Wood is renewable.
It definitely can be, but it still usually isn't depending on where it comes from. IKEA is still busy selling the little remaining european old-growth forest they acquired through questionable means, as certified, renewable, eco-friendly, cheap-as-shit furniture.
Where ikea use the old tree ? Most of what they sold uses very low quality plywood
They do sell some hardwood stuff as a premium option, but they also use it as veneer.
veneer
I totally forgot that, that's make a lot of sense.
2 big problems with that statement. 1st, it's being harvested at a much greater rate than it's being replenished. Second, old trees and old forests are far more valuable to the ecosystem than the cookie cutter "forests" planted after harvests.
Europeans forest are growing back, so your first statement isn't true:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/forest-europe-environment/
Then, younger forest have less valuable ecosystem but are better at absorbing CO2, which is the biggest priority.
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/557988
Glad to hear it's going well in Western Europe, but that's far from the norm.
My point is trees are much more than wood.
This is asinine.