Liberals when talking about human rights: :) Liberals when talking about the enforcement of human rights: :(
this post was submitted on 13 Jun 2023
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There's another 196 over on 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Most people use the Blahaj.zone one so this place isn't very active.
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Tankies ≠ leftists ≠ liberals
Plenty of leftists want human rights and even know we'll need a revolution to get them, but the USSR and CCP were not ever communist, they were authoritarian oligarchies disguised as communism. The same way the US is not a democracy or a republic, it's an authoritarian oligarchy disguised as one.
The USSR wasn't perfect (and Stalin ruined most things that were good obviously) but they weren't any worse than the USA or the west.
Your reading comprehension really is something to behold. You basically just disagreed with me by saying exactly the same thing I just fucking said.
Yeah okay, fair enough, I kinda only read the start and end of your post. I guess I agree with you then. I still think the USSR gets too much hate in general though. I vociferously defend the USSR around liberals and attack it around M-Ls lol.
My opinion on the USSR is that Lenin was cool, Trotsky was cool, and everyone else deserved to be hanged in Minecraft
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"BUHT REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED"
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Tankies ≠ Liberals, though
Yes that was my point, easy to criticise tankies but at least they want to do things.
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Sir, are the talkies in the room with us right now?
are they even in this 196
lefty anti-capitalist spaces tend to attract them in general
Looking at a few of the comments, yes.
Not in this one they're all on the tankie instance
well it sounds like the tankie instance needs blocked then. What instance is that btw?
The instance is called lemmygrad.ml and already blocked by most of the other instances. You can see blocked instances if you scroll down the page and click on the Instances button.
Their 196 is called moretankie196.
lemmy.ml is also pretty tankies friendly. Lemmy.world is the only instance I'm using regularly although suggestions of other good ones are welcome
It’s over run with them. We need a world news community on Lemmy.World and calls to defederate the .ml instance
What's a 196? What's a tankie?
196 is the subreddit that this community is based on. The only official rules are that you must post before you leave and you can't be a bigot. It ends up basically like r/shitposting, except aggressively pro-LGBTQ instead of anti.
A tankie is a leftist who thinks that Mao, Stalin, and Castro were cool.
A 196 is a meme sharing forum with the name 196. I don't really know how to describe a tankie, but something like: a leftist person who glorifies autocracy and the use of force to make a leftist utopia.
Thanks. I guess that I am grateful that I don't know about either of those things.
But if you force people in, it's a prison, not a utopia...
A Utopia which viciously guards its borders to keep people from leaving.
«tankie» is a term used to describe communists who support or are critically supportive of so-called "authoritarian regimes" (AES (actual existing socialism) such as Cuba, the USSR, China, Vietnam, the DPRK, Laos, etc.) or their actions.
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The dismissal of tankies really bothers me.
Remember Iraq's WMDs? Remember how the intelligence reports were actually based on a Nicholas Cage movie called The Rock? Remember how this goofy story was nevertheless widely reported and believed, and America still invaded Iraq, and 2.4 million Iraqis still died? Remember how 4 in 10 Americans still think America found WMDs in Iraq to this day?
the Iraq WMDs story inundated western media. It was everywhere. And everyone believed it. And millions died as a result. Tankies and other leftists disagree mainly on what is western distortion and what is true. That is an important question to think about, not one to be dismissed out of hand. America does lie about its enemies, and it does have enormous resources for selling those lies to the public. And people die when those lies are believed.
Yeah, tankies are not the only people who realize George Bush lied about WMDs lmao. Basically all leftists know that. However, most other leftists don't make excuses for people like Stalin, Mao, and Castro. We can advance our cause without supporting mass murderers. Fuck tankies
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"The dismissal of tankies really bothers me"
I am gonna make it easy.
If you are a holocaust denier, Stalin/Mao/Hitler/lenin fetishist or "defend" how they ruled their people then you are purposely keeping your eyes shut.
There is so so much literature to read and material to watch about these people that you actually have to actively dodge it to not know what they have done and some of the regimes that came from them are still doing.
Just because you are right about 1 thing doesn't mean that it validates every single believe that you have.
There are also enough people who are not the above who were against the invasion of Iraq and already foresaw why the US went there.
But this is the thing; It is your choice to believe the above. It literally is a choice, the truth is different. It is literally a choice to close your eyes towards history and the crimes authoritarian rulers and regimes are still commiting towards their citizens.
The western world is not perfect but there is a reason people are fleeing towards western nations and not the other way around.
Defending the genocidal western world in some contrarian bs over tankies is nothing but discussing. But please rationalize a million dead Iraqis, with this snobbish tone, you're probably correct.
You accuse me of defending the "genocidal" western world?
Which country started WW2 and the holocaust? I am gonna give you a hint it is 1 of the people I named in my post.
If you actually think I am defending anyone than you are not reading my post.
In which countries/campaigns most nazis died? Might shed some light over individual parties contribution to the fall of Germany in ww2.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_casualties_of_World_War_II
Doesn't change the fact the USSR allied with the Nazis and divided up Poland with them, and then came crying to the West for Lend-Lease aid when trusting Hitler backfired on them.
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Seriously what point are you trying to make?
You are saying that Europe "rolled" over and effectively died when the Nazis were strolling in and most of the western nations were just apathically watching?
I agree with you. Good point to make. If the western nations were to make a stand earlier in Hitlers crusade than alot of hurt could be spared.
Even in my country there used to be enough people who were collaborating with the Nazis. We actually had a party who were actively promoting it.
My country also had the most jewish victims that were murdered by the Nazis. Three quarters of the total that lived in my country were brutally slaughtered.
It is the highest of all western nations.
I have read the literature and seen the documentaries.
So again what is the point that you are trying to make that I don't know about?
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You don't like tankies??? Well what about _______
EVERY time
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