this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2023
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[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 61 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow, this map fucking sucks at describing native american regions.

[–] turboshadowcool@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Could you point me to where I could better learn about these regions then? No offense, I'm just actually curious now.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This one seems most accurate: https://native-land.ca/

OP's map relies a lot more on Western notions of nations and land ownership than you would have found for many indigenous tribes.

[–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Very interesting, thank you! They also have an app which is nice.

[–] SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

This is an incredible map!

Nice. Very responsive on mobile too which is nice.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The First Peoples of North America definitely didn't have such sharp, well defined border lines. It's not as of they had a bunch of written treaties establishing hard borders.

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is a conceptual alternate history map of modern day North America without colonisation. It's still reasonably inaccurate of course but it's not meant to accurately portray the borders of a pre-colonised North America.

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sioux is a name given by the colonizers. It's not just the borders.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

iirc its a word for enemy, IE the colonists encountered a rival tribe, and never cared to correct their mistake.

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Wikipedia says it comes from a French misspelling of an indigenous word that could be used to describe the people. So it might be a little less offensive than that, but still not great.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

In English we use Norse meaning northern people, unsurprisingly it is the word originally used to describe them by people south of them. Those people now called Germans get their name from ceaser when he invaded from Italy, named by the Greeks, who in turn derive their modern name from the Romans because they called themselves Hellanes... Spain gets it's name probably because it was located near a rabbit on a Roman coin... They also named Britain of course and all of them would be the ones going to the new world and naming things there

It's weird but it's pretty common

[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Pretty sure North America looked different in 2015 AD.

[–] tubaruco@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

am i missing something or is there no meme?

[–] spez@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

I think they are referring to the British settlements that led to modern America..?

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The illegal immigrants in this case would be European settlers and the added text makes the meme, I think. I had to double take on this one as well.

[–] tubaruco@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yeah, but i just dont really understand the map. is it just a map showing where the native population lived before colonization or is there an actual joke in there?

[–] Heliumfart@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The British Colombia part of the map is very inaccurate. Not sure about the rest. Appreciate the sentiment though.

[–] number@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Blatant coast Salish erasure!

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I was wondering where Coast Salish was hiding.

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Same for the North of Mexico

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also Sioux isn't a native name, it was given to the Lakota people and others by the French colonizers.

[–] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Haida Gwaii taking up the entire coast and interior yet isn't even in the map gave me a chuckle.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

slavey

I'm going out on a limb and say someone else picked that name for them.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago

You'd be correct. It's a translation of a name given to them by the Cree. They generally refer to themselves as Dene.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Why are the Hopi drawn in Texas? They were/are in current northern Arizona. Texas had Tawakoni, Wichita, Kickapoo and Comanche tribes.

[–] craftyindividual@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Huron Supremacy? The Jason Bourne series really went off track after the 3rd movie.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

https://i.imgur.com/j7GOV1F.jpeg Not all NA, but some visualization of smaller areas. Not sure why most maps want to throw in modern states when we want to look at indigenous maps.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

It's interesting how these lines are still pretty accurate for cultural divisions in colonial NA. At least at at quick glance.

[–] Napain@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

😭😭😭