this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2023
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[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, this map fucking sucks at describing native american regions.

[–] turboshadowcool@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you point me to where I could better learn about these regions then? No offense, I'm just actually curious now.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This one seems most accurate: https://native-land.ca/

OP's map relies a lot more on Western notions of nations and land ownership than you would have found for many indigenous tribes.

[–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Very interesting, thank you! They also have an app which is nice.

This is an incredible map!

Nice. Very responsive on mobile too which is nice.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The First Peoples of North America definitely didn't have such sharp, well defined border lines. It's not as of they had a bunch of written treaties establishing hard borders.

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a conceptual alternate history map of modern day North America without colonisation. It's still reasonably inaccurate of course but it's not meant to accurately portray the borders of a pre-colonised North America.

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sioux is a name given by the colonizers. It's not just the borders.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

iirc its a word for enemy, IE the colonists encountered a rival tribe, and never cared to correct their mistake.

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Wikipedia says it comes from a French misspelling of an indigenous word that could be used to describe the people. So it might be a little less offensive than that, but still not great.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

In English we use Norse meaning northern people, unsurprisingly it is the word originally used to describe them by people south of them. Those people now called Germans get their name from ceaser when he invaded from Italy, named by the Greeks, who in turn derive their modern name from the Romans because they called themselves Hellanes... Spain gets it's name probably because it was located near a rabbit on a Roman coin... They also named Britain of course and all of them would be the ones going to the new world and naming things there

It's weird but it's pretty common

[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty sure North America looked different in 2015 AD.

[–] tubaruco@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

am i missing something or is there no meme?

[–] spez@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

I think they are referring to the British settlements that led to modern America..?

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The illegal immigrants in this case would be European settlers and the added text makes the meme, I think. I had to double take on this one as well.

[–] tubaruco@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, but i just dont really understand the map. is it just a map showing where the native population lived before colonization or is there an actual joke in there?

[–] Heliumfart@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The British Colombia part of the map is very inaccurate. Not sure about the rest. Appreciate the sentiment though.

[–] number@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blatant coast Salish erasure!

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I was wondering where Coast Salish was hiding.

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Same for the North of Mexico

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Also Sioux isn't a native name, it was given to the Lakota people and others by the French colonizers.

[–] Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Haida Gwaii taking up the entire coast and interior yet isn't even in the map gave me a chuckle.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

slavey

I'm going out on a limb and say someone else picked that name for them.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

You'd be correct. It's a translation of a name given to them by the Cree. They generally refer to themselves as Dene.

[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Why are the Hopi drawn in Texas? They were/are in current northern Arizona. Texas had Tawakoni, Wichita, Kickapoo and Comanche tribes.

[–] craftyindividual@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Huron Supremacy? The Jason Bourne series really went off track after the 3rd movie.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

https://i.imgur.com/j7GOV1F.jpeg Not all NA, but some visualization of smaller areas. Not sure why most maps want to throw in modern states when we want to look at indigenous maps.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

It's interesting how these lines are still pretty accurate for cultural divisions in colonial NA. At least at at quick glance.

[–] Napain@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

😭😭😭