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Your Windows 10 PC will soon be 'junk' - users told to resist Microsoft deadline::If you're still using Windows 10 and don't want to upgrade to Windows 11 any time soon you might want to sign a new online petition

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[–] Olap@lemmy.world 182 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Or just try linux. It's pretty great

[–] yhvr@lemm.ee 83 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I love Linux. I have it installed on 3 machines, have been using it for over 3 years, and would install it right away if I ever got a new computer.

A couple weeks ago, I was feeling pretty exhausted and just wanted to play a game thru Proton on my laptop. I got it running, but it was unplayable because it was using my integrated GPU instead of my discrete one. I spent the night switching compositors, cables, and drivers, but none of it fixed the issue.

The next day, feeling exhausted from fruitless debugging, I tried to launch another game via Proton that I knew had worked in the past, but it crashed on launch. I spent the whole day going thru the same steps I did the day before, but also consulting ProtonDB and trying software that would force usage of the dgpu.

The next day, I installed Windows 10 to an external hard drive and spent the day debloating it. Drivers got installed automatically, I downloaded both games on Steam, and they just worked. So I guess I now dual-boot Windows just for the games that don't work thru Proton. Loading game worlds and booting up take ~75% longer, but that's to be expected because it's running on a 4 year old HDD connected over a USB cable.

As mentioned earlier, I love Linux a lot, and if all games had native binaries or Proton worked 100% I'd format that god-forsaken hard drive. But when real life has got me down, I don't need Linux to get me down further. I don't like Windows, and I feel incredibly dirty whenever I press F7 on boot to get to Windows. But when my choices are "spend 8 hours on fruitless quest to get >2fps" and "press play button", I'm going to take the path of least resistance.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago

That's the thing. I love to use Linux for work, but when I don't want to tinker it sometimes sucks for gaming.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I work in a linux shop.

You couldn't pay me to use Windows for development, sysadmin, backend services, etc.

But on the desktop? Hell no. We maintain a modern debian desktop environment for our users, and it's a pain in the ass. Mediocre UX, mediocre integration of mixed-bag third-party apps, and too many workarounds and gotchas you need to Just Know About. I just don't have the energy.

I use windows at home, and for my underlying work environment - and I just SSH into linux boxes for the actual tappy-tappy stuff.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 155 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I mean, it won't let me. Windows Update inists my PC doesn't meet the minimum spec, and I'm not inclined to argue with it.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

#GleefulCompliance

[–] teejay@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

You can use Rufus to install windows 11 and bypass the requirements. It does everything for you -- downloads the latest win 11 service pack, removes the blocking requirements, and you can even tell it to automatically disable all of the telemetry and phoning home. You'll still need a license key when you install, or run it on a machine that was running a valid win 10 install previously. But I'm running win 11 on an 8 year old PC with zero issues.

Here is a good guide that explains in detail.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 year ago

True, or I could just not.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 146 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Nah fuck you, I'm staying with 10 as long as I can, then I'm switching to linux

[–] moonburster@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My PC doesn't hit the requirements for windows 11. Yet it kept asking me to update. Been running Ubuntu ever since

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 99 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Fun fact: Linux is so customizable that you can run a modern GUI and software on 46mb of ram and a CPU from 1989. Don't let Microshit tell you to throw out your old PC, it's truly surprising what's possible.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Yeah but can it run signed drm in a way that the owner of the computer can't read the keys? Checkmate atheists.

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 85 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nah, fuck it, I'm switching to Linux.

[–] Crismus@lemmynsfw.com 37 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yep. Gaming is starting to work on Linux, so I will move to Linux once Microsoft cancels 10.

11 has nothing more than more telemetry and tracking going for it. Gaming is slower, so why would I upgrade for a worse experience.

I play old games still anyways. Linux is more secure than Windows 11 anyways. I won't upgrade to 11, and turned off TPM in BIOS so 11 won't automatically install.

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[–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Lmao. This article is junk. Yew I'm sure millions of people are going to suddenly dump their PC's because they don't get security updates. Most people don't follow this at all and don't care.

And no, they're not going to magically jump to Linux as much as the Lemmy circlejerk loves to believe. If they know enough about security they probably already have looked into Linux and decided against it.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 18 points 1 year ago

The article is typical clickbait from the Express, that's bottom of the barrel trash.

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[–] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 76 points 1 year ago (8 children)

As I Linux user I can't wait for the flood of cheap perfectly good hardware from these idiots

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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 61 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There is no way they don’t offer extended support for Windows 10. Many PCs can’t get to windows 11. Imagine all the malware infected machines that will be out there.

[–] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I worked for a large computer company in the late 90s, early 2000s. When XP came out, they said there would be no site licensing. This meant we had to keep track of license keys for thousands upon thousands of systems, costing millions. This was before KMS or anything.

"Nothing we can do," Microsoft said. "We have no gate key."

Our server farms at the time were 40% Windows NT 4, 55% Sun systems, and 5% Linux. So we said, "okay," and called Red Hat. In a year, our back end was 60% Sun, 35% Linux, and 5% Windows NT. We were already in talks to start switching to Linux workstations for desktops.

"Oh, you mean this gate key," said Microsoft.

Asshats. They lost our server business, but let us use XP with a site license.

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[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Dude what ad ridden hellscape is that site, ublock pinged 45 ads on that page just on load lol

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[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The day i had ads on my start page i immidiately uninstalled windows. I installed some linux distro its been like three years and ive finally settled on arch. it was hard but fuck ads on the start page and i feel smarter for it

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[–] Bandicoot_Academic@lemmy.one 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Once ALVR becomes even remotly usable on Linux im wiping my windows partition and going full Linux (I'm already using it for everything exept VR)

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[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)

A bit clickbait'y. Windows 10 will still work just fine for another decade at least, even without support.

In the Enterprise we ran 10+ year old PC's with XP still on them because the CNC program only runs on XP. No issues but of course you wouldn't use the internet on that machine.

Does having support really make a massive difference, especially if you're running AV anyway? A good AV suite will still be updated for years to come.

The government sector like hospitals etc will pay for extended support so not to worry.

It's only Enterprise that might have an issue because they want patched systems but may not be able to afford Win 10 Enterprise. Especially small to medium business.

As for the home user, it's not a massive issue.

Personally I don't care because I run Linux exclusively. I only gave win 10 running in a VM for printing. Canon said on the box that the printer supports Linux, then after I bought it, officially stopped all Linux support on their site. The original Ubuntu driver only support black and white. So I'm forced to use Windows in a VM for printing. But it's not connected to the net so it will fulfill this role forever.

If you're a regular home user and don't use any special proprietary software like Photoshop, I highly recommend you try Linux Mint. It will also breathe new life into your machine

[–] mlfh@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Not having security patches on a system you do things like go to your banking website on is actually a pretty big deal, and I don't think it should be dismissed lightly. Also AV is mostly snake oil, and is in no way an adequate substitute for a properly patched OS.

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[–] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

My machine running Win10 LTSC is getting updates until 2029. I also have machines running Debian. There is no way I am installing the regular version of Win11. Its trash made to pander to greedy shareholders. If they take the garbage out for LTSC, I might run it.

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[–] manualoverride@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just in case you don’t want to go to the tabloid hell that is the Express Petition Link pirg.org

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[–] the_q@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a good time to give Linux a try!

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Your PC will soon be be junk if you do not want to try out Linux.

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[–] BEDE@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (14 children)

In line with many folks' suggestions here, I'm ALL for switching to Linux full time after playing around with a few distros... BUT, I use dxo Photolab for photo editing which doesn't run on Linux, yes, even through wine etc.

Also yes, I know the are a bunch of great Foss alternatives. I've tried them all. Nothing touches the results from my current program unfortunately.

I would be stoked if anyone could enlighten me as to how I could get that working.

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[–] plantedworld@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I often play old games that have compatibility issues with windows 10. Most recently FEAR required a .dll from a site for a stable framerate.

People keep saying "gaming works" on Linux but are they talking about modern games? Do old games "just work?" I have very little free time to fart about with fixing too many issues with an old game. How well does this stuff work?

[–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Old games are likely to work better, as new games are likely to use new features or behaviour which aren't yet handled properly by Wine/Proton.

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[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The real problem is when Steam drops support on W10...

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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