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[–] Neato@kbin.social 74 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Unfortunately bankruptcy has been disempowered strongly. There are quite a few types of non-dischargeable debt like court rulings and student loans in the US. Credit Cards are definitely dischargeable but bankruptcy has also been made as painful as possible for working people.

Credit scores, created in the 80s, are required for any type of borrowing. Bankruptcy effectively denies the filer any type of credit or loans that aren't extremely predatory and costly. You effectively have to live 7 years without credit cards, new student loans, auto loans, mortgage, etc. Which, for many people under water might not be different than they live now, sans the credit cards. But in the absence of easy revolving credit, you may still need to borrow money to avoid eviction or your power being cut. In that case, your main option is going to be payday lenders. A service so corrupt and predatory it'd probably be classified as a criminal enterprise in the past.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know someone who has delcared bankruptcy at least twice... each time she was showered with ads for credit cards and auto loans. Apparently the thought process is "this person can't declare bankruptcy again for x years, so we're safe."

[–] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

...wtf? If a person has declared bankruptsy, sure they can't discharge again but their credit score is so trash they could just ignore creditors. As long as it isn't worth it to take someone to court, they have less incentive to pay.

[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My MIL declared bankruptcy and after that she was awash in credit card ads. What you say makes sense but it doesn’t square with what I saw.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, that's unexpected but I guess CC companies are willing to risk it. Especially if they know that CCs are the only viable option they have and they can offer penalty APRs with little pushback.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I've had extended family members declare bankruptcy several times and they're still approved for a credit card. Whereas I have never missed a credit payment in my life have a hard time getting a line of credit. I don't get it, the system is broken.

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Same thing with my mother; she started getting pummeled with cc mailers within 6 months of her filing.

[–] theFibonacciEffect@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Wow, that is very harsh that not even bacrupcy can cleanse your student loans. For court rulings it makes a little bit of sense, but this...

[–] airehiso@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

I came for this.

(That's what she said)

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Destigmatize using credit cards to fund a lifestyle you can't afford

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Existing is a lifestyle most cant afford at this point, but ok.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But what about all those reward points I am missing out on? If I spend big now, in a decade I may be able to cash them in on a shitty kettle.

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Credit card companies: "We'll give you 1% cash back and charge 25% interest"

Americans: "Wow 1%! This is a great deal!"

[–] hamburglar26@wilbo.tech 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Part of the problem is you have to build credit to buy a house or car, and cards are the best way to do that.

But for many it is easy to get behind and they will eat you up quick. The whole system sucks.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why do you need a credit to buy a car? You don't.

[–] hamburglar26@wilbo.tech 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You don’t as long as you have enough cash to get something and keep it running. There is a huge market for predatory car loans for people that need a car but have shit credit.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

A car is a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford it - use a bus instead.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Except for Alex Jones, because he deserves all of that and worse