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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 89 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I love that whenever something really awful happens to you, they try to justify it by saying, "God never gives you more than you can handle."

I know people who have been driven batsh*t insane by what God has given them.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If there is a god he is an asshole and doesn't deserve worship. I heard he's the bastard that lets all those children die all the time!

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, are we assholes because we let ants die? I agree if he exists he isn’t deserving of worship, but calling him an asshole for letting kids die is kinda rich from a species that mostly gives no fucks about creatures with lower intellect.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do almost 1/8th of the ants worship humans as their saviour?

[–] businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

would anything change if they did?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Likely, I mean, humans are real, and if a few hundred billion ants started building temples to us, I suspect things would change.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Nope, and they have actual proof of our existence.

Just goes to show how dumb we are as a species. Or maybe there would be less people worshipping God if we knew he existed and gave no fucks about people suffering or dying? Who knows.

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[–] Captain_Waffles@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, but if you ask them why babies have cancer they suddenly don't have time to debate you.

[–] ZeroTemp@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They won't debate you but they will tell you that "God has a plan for you" or something like that. Even if that plan is living a super short life and dying and agonizing death.

[–] Captain_Waffles@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Yep. Apparently babies deserve to suffer for...being born? I've been told I should see my horrible migraine as a gift from God that he thinks I'm strong enough to carry. 🤬 Ah yes, the "gift" of unending pain. That's not a gift, that's a curse.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Presumably, people who say that have never read the Bible.

They hide their inhumanity behind some magical sky wizard with a greater plan and misconstrue their privilege as strength of character and confidence.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's all survivorship bias.

The only folks who cling to that belief are the ones who haven't been broken on the wheel of life

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And the ones that do snap and do horrible things aren't really true (insert religion here) anyway.

It's survivorship bias with an added dash of No True Scotsman.

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[–] cheeseandrice@lemm.ee 77 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I made this connection a month ago - that a couple of generations of humans grew up breathing exhaust from leaded gasoline and dust from lead paint and had a bit of an epiphany about the state of the world.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I admire your optimism about the human race.

[–] RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've unfortunately encountered more than a fair share of younger human-shaped excrement that definitely weren't exposed to high levels of lead.

Maybe we'll find out PFAS has similar effects.

[–] enki@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

You gotta consider a lot of rural areas don't have as strict ordinances for dwellings, so it's entirely possible the 20-year-olds you're talking to ate lead paint chips growing up.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Dude. As a whole the world is stupider by several tens of IQ points solely in specifically due to lead poisoning.

Lead poisoning is the single most detrimental effect ever experienced by humanity so very few people even understand that!

[–] sparrow@pawb.social 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lead poisoning is the single most detrimental effect experienced by humanity, so far.

[–] LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network 9 points 1 year ago

Wait til they find out what microplastics do to us, if we last long enough to get the results on that shit.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've been poisoning people with lead since before Roman times. They used to make drinking glasses from lead

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

When it comes to lead tainted... drinking glasses are bad, breathing air are worse.

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[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder if we're not undergoing something similar. I imagine that a lot of people didn't know the effects it'd have on them when those things were first introduced

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Plastics are the modern lead.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Having made that connection, how does it feel about the criticisms we have toward our previous generation? I say this being born in the late 80s, so my folks are from this generation, although I can say at least 50% of them somehow escaped the associated issues, which to me I wonder if there's some genetic predispotion, and widespread, to exposure to lead causing essentially cognitive disabilities.

Anyway, if you buy into this (and I do), were essentially chastising this generation for fucking our shit up, knowing full well they have intellectual disabilities. And I have no idea what their OG knew about lead exposure, or when we learned about its effects on the majority of the population, so I'm not trying to point fingers at the moment.

But we essentially have a generation of mentally handicapped people, who because of their handicap have terrible reasoning skills, and me and you and our generation point our fingers at them and say you're fucking our shit up. It's like that Mitch Hedberg joke, Dammit Otto, you're an alcoholic: dammit Otto, you have lupus.

Just rambling. Perhaps I had a little exposure myself. I just don't want to assume the worst in people, that they're knowingly fucking our shit up. They just don't know better.

[–] Cannacheques 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You say you don't want to assume the worst in people, and so do I, but at some point we have to be realistic.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, and I'm being purely philosophical, I think we are able, as humans, to say hey, you may have been dealt a bad hand insofar as being raised around Stupid Smoke, but your personal responsibility skills are shit, and there's no two ways around it.

[–] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your philosophical dilemma is valid, but I would point out that pointing fingers is the best choice we have in this matter. Say, indeed, the ones fucking shit up do have intellectual disabilities, they still continue doing it. Reprimanding them for it is perhaps society's way of trying to get them to stop. Sort of like in the case of a child I guess - children being considered in this argument as having not enough understanding of the consequences of their actions. Equate, if you will, 'goddamn it Billy, stop running in the street' to 'goddamnit grandma, stop voting for idiots'.

The problem then is that Billy may listen, but grandma is set in her ways and has the notion that age brings wisdom regardless, so she's less inclined to listen to what the equivalent of Billy for her has to say.

I see no alternatives for this (that is to say, an attempt to correct erroneous behaviour) in the context of the aspirations of modern society.

As a thought experiment, in the most extreme case, what would we do? Test everyone for lead and remove, for example, the right to vote across a certain threshold? That doesn't take into account the baseline intellectual ability of individual (which can vary across a population) and the degree to which said discovered lead levels would affect them. It's entirely possible that a lead-laden 'smart' brain still has more capability than a pure but idiotic one. Not sure how we'd ever assess that. Not to mention the system would be exploited as soon as possible to channel power.

We could of course, stop pointing fingers and forgive them, for they know not what they do, and it'd probably have about the same effect.

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[–] anotherlemmyuser@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But we're the plastic generation...

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's certainly something that may have a significant impact on the future.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plastic is what's making everyone gay! Lol

JK I know people have always been gay. We will probably just get cancer from the plastic

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[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think we're pretty far past 'may' at this point since they're finding microplastics in blood and lungs.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 1 year ago

Microplastics, BPAs, PFAs... We're screwed.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they were assholes due to Lead poisoning theyd be sympathetic to a nonzero degree. But the reality is that they have no one to blame but themselves.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, almost everyone who grew up in a large city from the 40s-80s was a victim to lead poisoning and other toxic chemicals (hell, lead in gasoline was officially banned in 96!). Doesn't absolve them of sin but you've got to feel a little sorry for how little emotional control it can leave someone with.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

And then how long does it take for decades of lead from exhaust on basically every roadside and garage in the world to make its way through the ground, into the groundwater, into water supplies and crops, into people and animals, and ... back into the ground again.

"Everywhere" should be a superfund site.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sherwin shouldn't have made his paint so delicious

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Lead Paint: Tasty but Deadly!

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Leaded fuel or leaded pipes didn't matter to that generation, so why do their bigoted, stuck-up views still matter now?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis

There's reason to believe the very real crime spike in the 80s/90s was people from the 60s/70s quite literally going insane due to their lead exposure.

The survivors are both traumatized by the experience and suffering from a lower but still harmful dose of brain damage. They express this through short tempers and irrational anxiety, which they then rationalize as justification for bigotry.

Ie, going into hysterics when you see black people because your brain is polluted, but then reinforcing the anxiety with a nightly dose of Tucker Carlson.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the authors of the first Freakonomics book did delve into this phenomenon.

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Freakonomics gave almost complete credit to abortion, with some wonky numbers, not really mentioning lead or other factors. That whole book is interesting, but very slipshod...

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[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're so quick to blame lead poisoning when we all know poor mental health and Alzheimer's is doing all the heavy lifting.

[–] ShortBoweledClown@lemmy.one 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lead poisoning will lead to poor mental health, just FYI

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[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

The Lord works in mysterious ways!

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Protestantism: "God is me!"

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