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I remember after 911 it was pretty polarizing suggesting in public that the WTC attacks were blowback for American meddling overseas. Americans in general are pretty stupid and don't see a bigger, longer term picture.
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Yep.
Well? Even more, that maybe we shouldn’t go to war on that, America was out for blood. We lost our sanity and created more terrorists than we ever killed.
That's how dad did it. That's how America does it. And it's worked out pretty well so far.
-Tony Stark, patriot
So the Senate statement was against pro-Hamas student groups, not pro-Palestinian groups.
Hamas is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization. Saying you support them is not illegal. Providing any sort of help like donations or actual aid is extremely so.
The greater trend they're trying to track here is cherry picking examples that are less clear cut than the student group chanting "we don't want two states! We want it all! From the river to the sea!"
But this is a uniquely American issue - almost every other country on the planet treats hate speech as illegal.
nobody is pro Hamas, the problem is they're saying that being pro palestine is being pro hamas
Try to create a pro-Russian post now, and then explain in the comments that it's not pro-Kremlin.
Yeah, that's fucked up too. People seem unable and unwilling to seperate innocent civilians from atrocious leaders.
This is what happens when you allow corporations and demagogues to take over both politics and media 😮💨
Context matters. If you post something pro-Russian and against the Kremlin in 2020, some people might understand you. But if you do it a week after Bucha, don't expect any support.
Yeah because you're not allowed to distinguish between innocent civilians and the government they have no power to topple unless you time it juuuuust right 🙄
Fuck that. There's never a bad time for speaking up for innocent victims of violence and oppression while condemning the powerful people that kill and oppress them.
My point is: no matter what was the goal of protesters, these protests benefit Hamas. Therefore people participating in it are perceived as pro-Hamas.
They don't benefit Hamas, though. The goal of the protests is an end to immediate hostilities and in the long term a peaceful resolution to the overall conflict.
Both would be ruinous to Hamas and the Israeli war hawks while being beneficial to all of the innocent civilians.
the russian people - much like the people in gaza - aren't the people fighting the war
it's why sanctions never work because they're always passed on to the most vulnerable
it's also the same thing they do every war like during iraq when they said if you're against the war you're worth the terrorists/saddam.
he's not the first to do it but bush definitely set the narrative in the media
Pro citizenry posts are almost never controversial. If you're getting a lot of blowback you may be doing it wrong. Pro fascist government posts, however, will rightly get a lot of pushback if you don't differentiate. It is uncontroversial to support the Russian people, the American people, the Israeli people, the Palestinian people, etc.
the Senate statement was against pro-Hamas student groups, not pro-Palestinian groups.
Not true. Like most of rest of the government, the Senate don't distinguish between the two, lumping in advocating on behalf of innocent civilians with support of terrorism.
It's the "BDS should be illegal" bullshit all over again 🤬
From the article you clearly didn't read:
... the U.S. Senate passed a unanimous resolution condemning what it called “anti-Israel, pro-Hamas student groups” ...
Yeah I did. Operative words being WHAT IT CALLED pro-Hamas.
Claiming that them calling every pro-Palestine student group pro-Hamas proves that it's true is some asinine circular logic and/or blind trust that the people in charge are reasonable and unbiased rather than corrupt demagogues with financial ties to the apartheid regime and its PR apparatus.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But across the media and technology sectors, the arts, academia, and even generally nonpolitical industries like aviation and public relations, there has been an obvious effort to threaten, ostracize, and remove individuals from jobs based on their stated views on the subject.
In recent weeks, the editor-in-chief of the nonprofit scientific journal eLife, Michael Eisen, was forced to resign after sharing an article from The Onion satirizing public indifference to Palestinian civilian deaths; a top Hollywood talent agent, Maha Dakhil, was removed from the board of her company for suggesting on Instagram that a genocide was taking place in Gaza; and numerous journalists engaged in nonpolitical coverage, as well as ordinary corporate employees both in the United States and beyond, have faced reprimands and dismissals over their statements on the war.
Numerous writers have had their events canceled or been forced to shift venues based on past or present statements they have made deemed to be supportive of Palestinians or critical of Israel, including the political analyst and author Nathan Thrall and the novelist Viet Thanh Nguyen, who was scheduled to speak at 92NY.
A number of new websites have sprung up in recent weeks listing names of university students and corporate employees accused of issuing or endorsing sentiments deemed hostile to Israel, adding to an already rich cottage industry of such sites, including the notorious academic blacklist Canary Mission.
In the context of an emotionally charged, seven-decadeslong armed conflict, the effort to ruin people’s careers or livelihoods based on public comments on the matter have antagonized some free speech advocates.
Despite the growing climate of repression, legal advocates committed to defending free speech on the issue say that they will continue to promote the Palestinian perspective on the conflict with renewed urgency given current events in Gaza.
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