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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 116 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"Counter-Protester" is a weird way to spell "Terrorist".

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right. A counter protestor would be holding a sign, not aiming a gun. This wasn't "counter protesting" in any sense of the word.

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[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

But he is a conservative white guy so we can't say that.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In apparent support of this label, his own YouTube channel describes him as a "domestic terrorist".

[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

When they tell you what they are, believe them the first time

I'm looking at you, theocratic fascist Matt Walsh

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[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

what kind of headline is this who stopped the terrorist?

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

News organizations have started calling right wing domestic terrorists "conservative activists" now.

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[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

These alt right morons are so stupid they can't even use the mask correctly. It doesn't even represent their ideals. This idiot saw "AnoN" and thought he'd LARP as the "hacker" 4chan.

V for Vendetta illustrator and co-creator David Lloyd:

The Guy Fawkes mask has now become a common brand and a convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny – and I'm happy with people using it, it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way. My feeling is the Anonymous group needed an all-purpose image to hide their identity and also symbolise that they stand for individualism – V for Vendetta is a story about one person against the system. We knew that V was going to be an escapee from a concentration camp where he had been subjected to medical experiments but then I had the idea that in his craziness he would decide to adopt the persona and mission of Guy Fawkes our great historical revolutionary.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask

V as an idea is a revolutionary protesting against a tyrannical govenrment. Occupy wall street protestors were well known for using this mask.

This guy was shooting at protestors protesting injustice itself. Nothing about the alt right represents these ideas whatsoever. In fact, these people actively vote to keep existing oppression.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

These violent right wing extremists must be having a crisis of conscience in regards to choosing between Islamophobia and antisemitism

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago

Ironically a lot of the ones choosing to support Israel are wildly antisemitic. Israel just needs to exist for their end of days cult prophecies to come true. The Jewish people themselves are irrelevant.

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[–] enki@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guy Fawkes was a sectarian domestic terrorist. Sounds just like modern day MAGA to me.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

"The comics follow the story's title character and protagonist, V, an anarchist revolutionary dressed in a Guy Fawkes mask, as he begins an elaborate and theatrical revolutionist campaign to kill his former captors, bring down the fascist state, and convince the people to abandon fascism in favour of anarchy, while inspiring a young woman, Evey Hammond, to be his protégée."

The masks seem to specifically be based on the graphic novel and it's appearence. I don't agree with anarchy I guess but bringing down the fascist state is definitely not something MAGA would do. MAGATs support the fascist state. Thus why they tried to not let Biden have his election certified and tried to destroy democracy.

"David Lloyd (born 1950) is an English comics artist best known as the illustrator of the story V for Vendetta, written by Alan Moore, and the designer of its anarchist protagonist V and the modern Guy Fawkes/V mask, the latter going on to become a symbol of protest."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lloyd_(comics)

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hey, JP - That's a great outfit. How much do clothes cost in The Matrix?

On a serious note:

Just another example of these far right asshats being violent, and the protesters they're trying to attack showing restraint and peacefully detaining them.

Whatever thing that guy had, it looks like a real gun. He's lucky he didn't get capped as soon as he started firing it.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

began firing several shots that sounded like compressed-air.

EPD said that the weapon was a “splatter ball gun.”

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

OK...? And cops shoot black teenagers for holding cans of Arizona Iced Tea, claiming they thought it was a firearm.

This dude had a literal replica of a firearm. He brandished it like a firearm, and threatened peaceful protestors. Whether or not the gun was real isn't super relevant at this point.

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[–] Wolf_359@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Another prime specimen of the master race.

Cool truck too.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is he wearing his Morphious Halloween costume? Oh well… one less trump voter.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

the woman in the front seat just seems totally unbothered by what's happening around her, how high is she?

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[–] Alto@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like pointing out that it was a splat gun and not a firearm is pretty important.

And because I know I have to say it even though it should be obvious, no, that does not make it ok.

[–] Fecundpossum@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If the protestors who drew their weapons made this guy take the room temperature challenge instead of showing restraint, they would have likely been justified in the eyes of the law, and rightly so. When someone brandishes a weapon from a vehicle, or under the partial cover of a vehicle, it’s not on the defender to check and make sure it’s a real gun. Pulling gun shaped toys in public is a really bad idea and should have fatal consequences.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is rural-ish Oregon and I'd say it's better then even odds that the police then kill the protester(s), or write up their report to justify an arrest and prosecution. Having protestor/public video would be the only potential saving grace in that calculus, at least if they aren't killed prior to being arrested.

[–] Fecundpossum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You’re probably not wrong.

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[–] superguy@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

Sounds like terrorism.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Domestic terrorist. Call them what they are.

[–] BaronVonBort@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

That’s the most load bearing comma I’ve ever seen

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A half hour into the march...a white GMC Sierra 2500 pickup truck sporting multiple right-wing flags—including the Gadsden—suddenly pulled into the intersection...and began firing several shots that sounded like compressed-air.

Imagine being so stupid and gullible that you fly a Gadsden flag and fanatically support right wing facism.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a contradiction. The whole point of fascism is "I get whatever I want, and fuck everyone else".

[–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

The flag says "don't tread on ME" not "don't tread on us"

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“…along with 100 more of the mentioned whoopee pills.”

I’m sorry, but wtf are whoopee pills? I think they’re referring to the ecstasy, but I have been doing drugs for over 15 years and have never heard them called a whoopee pill before.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like a word for drugs, used by people who don't know enough about drugs to be specific.

[–] creamed_eels@toast.ooo 10 points 1 year ago

Are you saying he was hopped up on goofballs?

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[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

After we eat the rich can we have the ignorant for dessert?

[–] quicklime@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

actual nutritive value in great doubt

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What about the ignorant rich?

[–] PigsInClover@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Appe-teasers

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(Sigh) Of course when my home town hits the news it's for something like this...

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Put the mask back on.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Missed the comma the first time and was confused. "Masked counter protester arrested after stopping shooting"

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a dumbass. People need to tone things down. That Jewish woman stabbed to death is another case of political dumbassery.

[–] Fecundpossum@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Actually the Detroit police chief just issued a statement that there is no evidence whatsoever leading to that conclusion. Which is probably because they have no idea what the hell happened.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If there's anyone we can trust it's the Detroit police

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[–] RunningSpaces@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

And so it's time to go in armed

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