They do have a plan, but it doesn't include finding a peaceful solution and a path to long standing peace.
this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2023
131 points (91.2% liked)
World News
38977 readers
2220 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Yup, the Israeli State does not give a single shit about innocent Palestinians. They're quite happy to continue oppressing them, because when the oppressed 'suddenly' become radicalised and fight back it gives the Israeli State an excellent excuse to take more land and displace more Palestinians.
Israel is showing the world it's not trying to be an apartheid state, but a genocidal one.
load more comments
(1 replies)
Well if everyone is dead then there is peace right /s
"negative peace "
load more comments
(1 replies)
We all know what the endgame is.
Please…enlighten us
The Gaza strip ceases to exist when it's taken by force and "settlers" move in so it becomes part of Israel. Millions of Palestinians die in refugee camps.
Taken by force? It was taken by force 56 years ago. Since then the Palestinian population in Gaza has increased about 7-fold.
And there were already Israeli settlements there. They were dismantled in 2005 and the settlers forcibly removed by Sharon’s government.
Yea, but Sharon was a lot more sane than bibi... it seems like that asshole has done everything in their power to roll those changes back.
Are we talking about the same Sharon that Palestinians hold responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre? And the same Sharon whose visit to Al-Aqsa was rightly or wrongly said to be the proximate cause of the Second Intifada (and which ultimately allowed him to come to power)? The same Sharon who built the wall between the West Bank beyond the Green Line effectively annexing large chunks of land in all but name? That Sharon? Just want to make sure that we’re talking about the same guy
Yup, much more sane than Netanyahu.
load more comments
(2 replies)
load more comments
(2 replies)
So, for execution of this plan they gave to sector Gaza autonomy and removed (forcefully) Jewish settlements from there. Yeah. Totally makes sense.
Other commenters have added good answers, basically the strong feeling everywhere is this won't stop until Hamas is utterly wiped out, and by that time Gaza will be too and it's inhabitants either destroyed or refugeed out.
Annihilation.
The plan: more settlements, more oppression, more land grabs.
FTA:
"Israel has called up a record 360,000 reservists"
Gaza has 365 square kilometers. 141 square miles.
https://www.britannica.com/summary/Gaza-Strip
That seems like an awful lot of soldiers to square meters.
You do realize that this is likely to become a 3 front war. Lebanon in the north. And Bibi has to cowtow to his settler base in the West Bank.
I could definitely see that, Israel has not been shy about invading Southern Lebanon in the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon
And one of those fronts will effectively be with iran. You seriously don't want to fuck with the resources they have to throw into war.
I wonder whether Iran can actually spare an outright war. There is clearly a lot of anti-government energy flowing in Iran, and that won't have been stamped out by their crackdown on it.
I wonder whether most everyday Iranians would support a war with Israel.
Granted, it's not likely Iran gets directly involved - they'll just drive their Hezbollah prop.
I wonder whether Iran can actually spare an outright war. There is clearly a lot of anti-government energy flowing in Iran, and that won’t have been stamped out by their crackdown on it.
I guess it depends on how much the "helping our fellow Muslims" stuff works. I know it would in Egypt at least.
Iran wouldn't need to radically shift their budget... the revolutionary guard gets buckets of oil money and maintains a constant high state of readiness.
Yeah, Russia's initial push against all of Ukraine was reportedly about 100-200k soldiers.
I think that was a little bit different in that a) everyone (the West included!) expected Ukraine to just roll over, and b) a lot of those troops weren't told they were actually going to war, they thought it was just a training mission... the poor bastards.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russian-soldiers-ukraine-anger-duped-into-war
Israeli troops aren't under any illusion about what they're doing.
FYI - Getting lots of reports on comments in this thread. We are currently reviewing and re-writing the rules in the Sidebar so I'm choosing to not remove any of them YET. That's not to say it won't happen LATER.
I don't want to put anyone in a position where something would be removed under the old rules, but not the new rules or vice versa.
Be aware, things are changing. Hopefully in the next 24 hours.
Until then, Wheaton's Rule: Don't be a dick.
Also, Downvote is not an "I disagree button", it's a "this comment doesn't contribute to the discussion, we are all dumber for having heard it, I award you no points button".
I'd like a single atheist state where Palestine and Israeli have equal rights but religion is strictly outlawed. But I wouldn't kill people to achieve that, so I think my endgame isn't gonna happen
But I wouldn’t kill people to achieve that, so I think my endgame isn’t gonna happen
Yes, since both other sides have extremists which aren't happy with any compromise. On both sides, they are in the government. On both sides, they are willing to kill for it, even seeing it as their religious duty. So if you're unwilling to kill and prefer another scenario, you will most definitely not get it and maybe get killed in the process. The region might have reached it's nash equilibrium in constant war.
In your ideal atheist state, what would the punishment be for religion?
fraud charges for anyone claiming it to be non fiction and censorship similar to what porn gets for religious media
Attending a satanic church service maybe
load more comments
(4 replies)
This is the best summary I could come up with:
DUBAI/WASHINGTON, Oct 18 (Reuters) - Israel is vowing to wipe out Hamas in a relentless onslaught on the Gaza Strip but has no obvious endgame in sight, with no clear plan for how to govern the ravaged Palestinian enclave even if it triumphs on the battlefield.
Codenamed "Operation Swords of Iron", the military campaign will be unmatched in its ferocity and unlike anything Israel has carried out in Gaza in the past, according to eight regional and Western officials with knowledge of the conflict who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.
The immediate Israeli strategy, said three regional officials familiar with discussions between the U.S. and Middle Eastern leaders, is to destroy Gaza's infrastructure, even at the cost of high civilian casualties, push the enclave's people towards the Egyptian border and go after Hamas by blowing up the labyrinth of underground tunnels the group has built to conduct its operations.
Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said Biden's visit would have given him a chance to press Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu to think through issues such as the proportional use of force and the longer-term plans for Gaza before any invasion.
Two regional military experts told Reuters that Hamas' armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, has mobilised for an invasion, setting up anti-tank mines and booby-trapped explosive devices to ambush troops.
Hundreds of Palestinians have died in the West Bank since the start of the year in repeated clashes with Israeli soldiers and settlers, and there is widespread concern that the violence might engulf the territory as nearby Gaza burns.
The original article contains 1,314 words, the summary contains 273 words. Saved 79%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!