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Why do they worship crosses (feddit.de)

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

What part of modern Christianity makes you think they give a shit what Jesus thinks?

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Silly Jesus, it’s not about what you like. It’s about symbolism, and using that symbolism to persuade and oppress, and start wars, and justify shitty behavior.

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I grew up evangelical, and the way evangelicals use the cross this argument makes sense. But the catholic crucifix as a depiction of the suffering of Christ makes more sense as a symbol to put a believer’s mind and heart in the right place for supplication.

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Christianity is a persecution fetish.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a reminder of what he went through to atone for the sins of mankind

The point is that he doesn't like crosses

[–] Wisely@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That part never made any sense to me either. Why do sins need to be forgiven and how does torturing someone allow forgiveness? Seems like torturing and killing the son of god would be a serious sin by itself.

Couldn't god just realize he created flawed beings and forgive them himself, or not hold a grudge about it? Humans are how he made them according to the religion.

[–] NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The doylist explanation is that a lot of religions back in the day practiced animal sacrifice to their deities (including judaism, e.g. Noah sacrificing animals after the flood and Abraham sacrificing a ram in place of his son once god was bored of telling Abraham to kill his kid to prove his faith). Jesus getting sacrificed is supposed to be a mirror of this for Christians and an "ultimate" sacrifice. They don't sacrifice animals to god anymore because jesus just keeps doing the heavy lifting for them.

[–] dlrht@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You ask good questions, but if you're really interested you can look into Christian apologetics re: free will. There are some interesting answers awaiting you. But the gist of it is that God didn't create flawed beings, he created beings with free will that chose to be flawed.

And Christianity has never said free will is a flawed design, because humans having free will is one of the most important aspects of the religion and is very fundamental to what it means to be a human (a concept that is true both in and outside of Christianity, unless you believe in destiny or something). It is not a flaw to have free will, otherwise God himself would be flawed. In a regular context, it's kind of like you're not flawed for existing, but you're flawed if you do negative things with your existence. I would personally have to be convinced that having free will is a flaw/a negative thing

To quickly answer your first couple questions: death is the punishment for sinning and Jesus is supposed to be perfect and sinless and thus should not die. but instead he died in place of other sinners, kind of like taking the blame for them. And yes, torturing and killing the son of God was indeed a sin, the people who did it were sinful. I don't think anyone has said otherwise. The ones who killed Jesus were not his followers or supporters

[+] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] dlrht@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't have exact answers for this, but if you look at it as if Adam was indicative of all of mankind (which he was), you can see it less like people are condemned when theyre born but more like all people are inherently broken/flawed/sinners. Original sin was just the first example of it. If there were people out in the world who were objectively flawless and sinless I'd take a totally different stance, but mankind being broken and evil is just pretty consistent with history and with the bible

Christianity doesn't exactly say it's a grievous error to be born and that you're condemned for it, it more says that you're inherently broken but you can still be redeemed

[+] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] dlrht@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We can agree to disagree then. You didn't really explain anything either.

We're an inherently selfish species from a biological perspective, people aren't just fundamentally altruistic. If evolution shaped our morals to encourage us to be nice to each other to benefit the whole species, why is it still such a struggle for people to be selfless?

I find it very hard for you to convince me that as a species we are neutral when the very people we put into power and govern over us are narcissists and power hungry people who have little care about every individuals lives that they govern over and are obsessed with self gain.

On an individual level, being altruistic/good natured/selfless is something that has to be fostered and you have to be intentional about. Growing up, we're taught lessons, in school and in media, etc., on how to be good/how to treat others. We're taught to do good things and don't do bad things. Why? Because our nature is to do bad things

If you have to be intentional about being good and not being bad, then that means your default state is being bad. It's easy to be selfish and only do things that you want and only care about yourself, because that's our nature as a species.

I don't agree that we just "are" and that we just "exist", it just sounds like someone that doesn't want to face the truth that mankind is not a perfect species. Vague statements like "we can only be as evil as we are good" doesn't actually mean anything. You just stated a bunch of facts like "death gives life meaning" and "shadow defines light". Sure. I agree. So what? Nothing that you said really clarified why humans aren't inherently bad in your eyes. You just said a bunch of generic statements that not even Christians disagree with as if I'm supposed to understand why your position makes sense now

[–] Technofrood@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More proof Jesus was the OG Vampire

[–] FullMaxPowerStirner@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

CONFIRMED by that glorious scene at the beginning Coppola's flick.

[–] captainhowdy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Is hope psychosis? Is love psychosis? Look at the rules you follow. Even if Jesus was proven illegitimate, wasn't his message a saving action to all?