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Israel ordered its state-run electricity company to halt supply to the Gaza Strip on Saturday after the Palestinian militant group Hamas launched a surprise attack on Israel, the energy minister said.

“I have signed an order instructing (Israel) Electric Company to stop the electricity supply to Gaza,” Energy Minister Israel Katz said in a statement.

At least 150 Israelis have been killed in the attacks launched by the Palestinian movement Hamas.

Israel said the Iran-backed group had declared war as its army confirmed fighting with militants in several Israeli towns and military bases near Gaza and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to retaliate.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This type of collective punishment against civilians is a war crime.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't think this is a "punishment." It seems rather foolish to expect them to supply electricity to the people actively using the electricity to kill their civillians.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"to the people actively using electricity to kill their civilians"

Right. So you're telling me they have data analysts that can precisely tell which buildings are occupied by hamas and which are occupied by civilians. You know, intel that would be worth a fortune for them considering that's kinda their enemy and it would be an incredible chance to get rid of them once and for all. Notwithstanding the fact that they'd have to have the ability to individually toggle electricity for every building, which, I have a feeling, does not in fact work that way.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Allow me to clarify.

Their first priority is to stop their citizens from dying.

If they need to cut off electricity to terrorists to do that, they will. If they need to cut off electricity to whole regions of the Gaza strip, or the Gaza strip altogether, to keep their people safe, they will.

More targeted enforcement would be preferred. Sure. But that's not what I said was happening.

You know, intel that would be worth a fortune for them considering that’s kinda their enemy and it would be an incredible chance to get rid of them once and for all.

Fun fact, Israel is very good at intel. Israel can often find which building are occupied by Hamas.

Fun fact, Hamas enjoys operating from, and firing rockets from, civilian homes, mosques, hospitals, and schools. Here's a handy list: https://kbin.social/m/Israel/t/368817/A-handy-list-of-sources-describing-where-Hamas-produces-stores

One of Israel's greatest challenges is finding ways to stop terrorism given this unfortunate reality. They develop technology to try to detect civilian presence in these buildings, and to, in case they miss anybody, warn the civilians and give them time to evacuate.

[–] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Not having that data is exactly the point, if they had that sure they could specifically cut power. But they don't have that, and Hamas is mixing with civilians, so they're forced to cut power across the board

[–] crashoverride@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe Israel should have consider that before declaring the people of Palestine, as a whole second class citizens and slaves and erected a part-time between the two. Fuck israel and I hope they die

[–] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Israeli government is a disgrace. Shameful corrupt regime needs to be jailed for crimes against humanity.

[–] danielbln@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Be that as it may, no government in the world would leave today's events unanswered for.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Turns out when you treat a population as subhuman for over 50 years, some of them start doing some inhumane shit....

The solution is basic human decency, but asking the oppressed population to change before the oppressors never works out.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but they should target Hamas. Collective punishment is a war crime.

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They do target Hamas. Hamas likes to hide terrorist activity in homes, mosques, schools, and hospitals. Which is why Israel develops technology to try to ensure that there are no civilians present when it fires on a base of terrorist activity. And also why Israel uses a variety of technologies to warn any potential civilians who they might have missed that there is a counterattack coming to disable rocket fire. Hamas doesn't mind the headlines when a few Palestinian civilians inevitably die in one of these counterstrikes. It's part of the plan.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'm aware of that. And that's collateral damage, which is unfortunate but it happens in war, especially with groups like Hamas operating as you said. I'm specifically talking about shutting off all electricity to Gaza indiscriminately -- that's collective punishment.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Palestinians are just answering the decades of colonialism and genocide they've received

[–] danhakimi@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nothing in Israel has resembled colonialism since its founding. The British and Ottoman and other colonies were quite awful, but thankfully, those times are over, and the indigenous people of Judea are welcome there once again.

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Nothing? If forcibly taking people's land doesn't qualify as colonialism I don't think anything does.

[–] crashoverride@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Jews of today are no better than the Nazis of yesteryear morally speaking

[–] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. If you are against Jews or Jewish people in general or even if you just think ill of them, you’re a fucking bigoted piece of shit.

I was talking about the Israeli government, not Jewish people.

[–] crashoverride@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

News flash, Israel is a Jewish state

How far up your ass is your head currently located? I mean, do I need to call guiness record company, let me know I think we can get paid for submitting the record. I’ll be your witness.

[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago
[–] bobman@unilem.org -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

state-run electricity company

I wonder what the energy prices are like in Israel...

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

That's not even worth talking about, you should hear about Natanyahu's ties to their phone and internet services. It is/was overt corruption to say the least.